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2013
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22 Cruiser
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Loleta Gray
I have a 22 with twin 50 hondas. I am considering trim tabs but I see that many of you guys have permatrim installed. Are permatrims used on twin engines? I don't necessarily want trim tabs if permatrims have good results. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
 
Yes, they are used on twins and singles and there are quite a few c-dorys that run them. Do a search on "permatrim" in the upper-left corner (google custom search box) of this webpage for more reading on that topic.

We ran them with twin 90s on our 25 and they were a great addition. I would add them before I would add trim tabs personally. We had tabs first and they were not adequate alone but I can't speak to using just the permatrims without tabs in place.

I would say go for it. They really help with trimming and getting the nose down plus make the boat handle waves/chop like a bigger boat with a longer feeling waterline.

Greg
 
I am on the other side of the fence than Greg. I have a Peratrim on my 115 plus trim tabs. I can think of a hundred different uses for the money I spent on it. Love the trim tabs though.
 
On our boat we rarely use trim tabs. We have had a Permatrim since the boat was new and it gives the rear of the boat lift and keeps the bow down when trimmed for that. We usually shift weight around for any side to side trim needed. In a beam sea or something off the front quarter would be the only time I ever had used trim tabs. The Permatrim also seems to give better boat control at slow speeds i.e. docking etc. Another vote for a Permatrim or in your case two.
D.D.
 
I have permatrim in my Suzuki 90 (22 angler). For controlling the stern and bow lift is an excellent addition. If you need to have lateral control, the trim tabs are better on a single engine, but I believe you can achieve the same with permatrims in a twin installation. With permatrims you have the engine trims as your only control, with trim tabs you add more complexity since now you have to worry about the engine trims + tabs.

I evaluated having trim tabs and went with the premature since it was much cheaper and easy to install.

Franco
 
For the price, the simplicity, ease of installation, and the effectiveness, you can''t beat a Permatrim. It even works as a step to enter the boat (with the motor off)!
 
I've had both the trim tabs & Permatrim. Starting fresh I would install the Permatrim first and see how that works for you. They do a good job, but if doesn't do all you want or expect. Add the trim tabs. Reason for going this route is why punch more holes in the boat unless it's needed.
 
Some of the best money I have spent on my 22'.
It really improved the handling with easy control.
Be sure to buy the Permatrim brand-it is a quality product.
Plan on 2-3 hours for installation-not hard to do.
Pete
 
I had trim tabs on the last 22 and prematrim on this one.

permatrim got the bow down better at slower speeds than trim tabs.

I only could have one I would take the trim tabs as they get the bow down (less than permatrim) but also level side to side. That said I didnt have twins.
If you can raise and lower the two differently then the permatrims may be all you need for both bow down and lateral.
 
We have both Permatrims and trim tabs on the Mary Ellen with twin 40hp Honda's. I ran with the Permatrims for several years before adding trim tabs (Lenco brand) also. Although it is possible to use the Permatrims for side to side trim, it works much better to trim the boat for the desired bow attitude and then use the trim tabs for side to side. I believe that the most economical cruising and stable ride are reached using both items.
 
I have a 22 with twin Honda 40's and both tabs and permatrims. Carpy is very stern heavy and bringing the bow down is essential efficient handling and it greatly improves fuel economy.
Before the prematrims, trimming the engines had little effect on the attitude of the boat. With both tabs and permatrims I have really good control.
I put on the trim tabs after my first year with the boat. The permatrims two years later.
I had a trim tab fail on our trip to the St Johns last year. ( A relay failed and was replaced under warrantee by Bennett. They also replaced the motor and scrambled to get me a part a day before a trip after someone botched my address. Good service from them!) I will say from that experience that I would rather be without the tabs than the permatrims, but I prefer both.

Bruce Cassal
Carpy
 
I have had several boats without trim tabs or permatrims, and then added Permatrims. In the Tom Cat, the Permitrims did not add much. In the C Dory 25 with trim tabs, in improved the ride significantly. With the C Dory 22 and trim tabs, and a Doelfin foil, not as good as the Permatrims, but OK--We will add the Permatrims next. The combo of Permatrims and trim tabs are almost essential for the best ride in a C Dory 22 or 25--not so in the Tom Cat series.
 
Thank you all for the info. It looks like I'm going to install permatrim and if needed tabs later. I understand there are different brands or type of permatrim. Is permatrim the gold standard? If so where to buy them? I went to a permatrim website but I think it was based out of New Zealand.
Thanks again.
 
Coach T-

IIRC, there is a single US supplier of Permatrims:

Permatrim USA at http://www.permatrims.com/

Good Choice!

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
Andy, at ShipYard Island as per Joe's link, is the man who knows about Permatrims. He is very helpful.
 
Thank you all for your help on the decision to install permatrims. Over the winter I installed them (very easy installation by the way) and this past weekend my wife and I took her out for a weekend getaway. The boat performed fabulous and I was thoroughly impressed. It was windy most of the weekend with moderate seas and the boat did great. This addition may be the best money I have spent on the C-dory.
thanks again for all the help.
 
I also just ordered a permatrim for my 22' Angler
I just have a random question though----

Since the trim motor was not designed for a plate this large, does it create
excessive pressure on motor when you trim down while underway(since it is lifting the whole boat) or it this something that should be avoided?

Should you trim down all the way first and then lift up while underway to find the sweet spot or does it matter?

thanks

David and Val
 
C-Val":3f1h5hkg said:
I also just ordered a permatrim for my 22' Angler
I just have a random question though----

Since the trim motor was not designed for a plate this large, does it create
excessive pressure on motor when you trim down while underway(since it is lifting the whole boat) or it this something that should be avoided?

Should you trim down all the way first and then lift up while underway to find the sweet spot or does it matter?

thanks

David and Val
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D&V,

Good question. I have been considering adding Permatrims to my twin 40's and they, being smaller motors, have smaller trim motors as well. Thinking they might not be designed for the weight of a 22. Hope we get some good info to your question.

Harvey
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Coach T":ya01w568 said:
This addition may be the best money I have spent on the C-dory.
thanks again for all the help.
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This is certainly nice to hear from a 22' owner. I feel so strongly about the value of a Permatrim on the 2 16s we had that I think they should be installed at the factory before the boat goes out the door. I don't know anything about the physics of why it makes the difference, but I can tell you that it does make a significant difference for the better. Some owners of 16s feel that while it may help the cruiser, there is no need for it on an angler. Fine, but my experience, having had both models with and without, the small investment in a Permatrim turns a canoe-like ride into a solid held down boat.
 
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