permatrim questions

Hey guys, this is my second season owning the 22. The first summer my wife and I spent many hours on the boat and loved it. The only drawback was the ride and the pounding in chop. I did research the boat and even visited Dr. Bob before we purchased the boat so I was well versed in the expectations of the boat. My wife and I have owned several boats from bay-boats to off-shore and all rode very well in chop even at high speeds. Last summer we had to get used to the fact we were not going any distance quickly and if we pushed the speed the ride would be diminished. As most of us try to do I wanted to keep my wife happy, she complained often about the uncomfortable ride. We both are very happy with the boat because of the permatrims. The improvement in ride was much better than my wife and I expected. On our return trip on a recent outing my wife and 2 year old son fell asleep on the "couch" lowered table running around 23 mph. The seas were not extreme but last year this was not possible with our teeth intact. I have not noticed any reduced speed or fuel but this was not the original intent of installing pt. I have twin motors so leveling the boat is easy. I can't respond to the technical debate and statistical measurements. I rely on my experience and the smile my wife gave me when she woke from her nap.
Take care.
 
To Enlighten the Subject:

*****The Permatrim Advisability Question*****

I'm reminded of a very old, statistically out of date, saying:

"20 Million Frenchmen Can't Be Wrong."

Now if you want some HARD DATA and SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH.....

Well, who needs it? :lol:

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
You may not remember that everyone knew
the earth was flat.

Aye.

Grandma used to say, "Curiosity and critical thinking
are keys to progress."
 
I had a 22 Cruiser with a Yamaha 90 with trim tabs but no permatrim. Could never get the bow down enough to my satisfaction. Consequently the ride into a chop was rougher than it needed to be.

My current boat also a 22 Cruiser with a Mercury 115 4 stroke that had permatrim when I bought it. A much improved ride and could get the bow down easily. . Side to side trim was a problem so I added the trim tabs.

From personal experience, to make the 22 Cruiser with a Single engine ride correctly in west coast conditions, you need both Permatrim and Trim Tabs.
 
Foggy":2ib6yvaa said:
You may not remember that everyone knew
the earth was flat.

Aye.

Grandma used to say, "Curiosity and critical thinking
are keys to progress."
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Yes - and grandma had experience that I bet you paid attention to. :lol:
 
A number of well traveled boaters that have Permatrims speak well of them. That would do it for me. But, that should not really a problem. If anyone is skeptical? The answer is just don't buy any. Seems funny that some folks are on this site second guess the reported experiences on a given product. Lots of information here but no force feeding going on that I can see. I didn't really care for my grandmother.
D.D.
 
The only problem I see with the permatrim is that if I decide it does not make a significant difference and I want to remove it, there will be a lot of holes in the anti cavitation plate on the motor. I guess the holes could be filled with short bolts or something.
 
From personal experience, to make the 22 Cruiser with a Single engine ride correctly in west coast conditions, you need both Permatrim and Trim Tabs.
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Does anyone think that this conclusion also applies to the 25 Cruiser? I have trim tabs, but no Permatrim on the single motor. I've only owned the boat for a year, but so far, the trim tabs seem sufficient to put the bow where ever I like.
 
I have trim tabs on my 22 already. I have noticed that to get the bow down to where I want it, it takes about 80% deflection (according to the indicator). There are some situations where the indicator indicates full scale deployment.
 
smckean (Tosca)":g8uo05pu said:
From personal experience, to make the 22 Cruiser with a Single engine ride correctly in west coast conditions, you need both Permatrim and Trim Tabs.
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Does anyone think that this conclusion also applies to the 25 Cruiser? I have trim tabs, but no Permatrim on the single motor. I've only owned the boat for a year, but so far, the trim tabs seem sufficient to put the bow where ever I like.
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Yes, I have posted several times, that the improvement is significant on the C Dory 25. Mine had just the trim tabs, and there was significant improvement in chop with the Permatrim. My good experience going down wind and waves in Johnston Straight was with the C Dory 25. Heavy seas, wind against current. Larger boats were not going to weather that day. We were running down wind and down waves.
 
Sorry for those that don't appreciate wisdom passed down to them from their
in-laws. On the other hand, their inherited genes could account for some of the
thinking displayed here on purchasing permatrims.

So, for example, in my mind a reason not to buy something might go like this:

"Take it from me, this is a great product",
"They must be right",
"Everyone else has'em"
"I bought it because they said it was good",
"The advertisement said it would help",
"I'm keeping up with the Jones's",
"The price was right",
"They know more about it than I do",
"Etc, etc, etc",
Blah, blah blah".

But then, everyone can do what they think is best.

Good luck with all that.

Aye.
 
Foggy":jujrwj45 said:
Sorry for those that don't appreciate wisdom passed down to them from their
in-laws. On the other hand, their inherited genes could account for some of the
thinking displayed here on purchasing permatrims.
<stuff clipped>
Aye.
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Ahhhhh, the genes one inherited from one's in-laws. I don't know about you, but my family tree doesn't have loops in it. :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
How you load your C-dory could make a difference on adding Permatrims on a CD-22 with trim tabs. The Out2C has a 90 Honda. Until Joyce and I started to SCUBA dive on the boat the trim tabs did the job for us. With dive gear, four tanks, Yeti cooler plus the Yamaha 2400 generator in the cockpit we would pound going into the waves. Yes....it helped to move some tanks into the cabin but we still had to slow down quite a bit. My friend Tom has a CD 25 that did much better.

A couple of weeks ago I added the Permatrim and invited 4 friends to join my wife and I on a day trip on the St. John's river across lake George. I used them as portable ballast. Even with four in the cockpit it was possible to run into the chop without pounding. We ran trough a rain storm on the way back to Astor and the waves got bigger and we still were able to keep the bow down. That was much more weight than I had on our last dive trip to Marathon.

I figured if they did not help on the C-Dory they could go on my Carolina Skiff that does not have any trim tabs. Guess I'll order another.

Tom Schulke
CD22 2004 Commuter Out2C
 
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