Pot heads and C-Dory?

The banner in the link changes, so you have to give it time to see the C-Dory.

Bill, very good and appropriate post. I'm glad it works for what you need when you need it. Historically, I have struggled with the use. My first exposure was in Viet Nam, and then, because of my work, I have seen those who have used for both medical and recreational reasons since. I have seen both adverse affects, resulting in damage to both property and physical, and I have seen positive results for various medical situations.

It is important to know that there are many variations of marijuana, with a range of THC, the "hallucinogenic" component, from very low to very high, and to the other component CBD which is the medical advantageous component -- high in pain relief, muscle relaxant and antispasmodic properties. Both components have observable affects on the brainwave patterns, visible in the polysomnogram, and though they are very similar, an experience tech may be able to distinguish them.

As noted, it is a drug, and individuals may be affected differently so it is advisable to (if you choose to) participate with care.

I did vote, and I do have an opinion but it's mine and fact is fact.

There was a C-Dory in the banner. That was what interested me.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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Sadly, many MJ shops, medical and recreational AND title loan companies are mainstream "legal" businesses run by big time organized crime. That according to the FBI. But because they are, "legal" enterprises, the FBI has to take a hands off approach. The equivalent of not-profiling. Porn, by and large falls into the same category. So, I'm careful that none of my money goes into any of those enterprises. Eventually those legal enterprises can be feeding money into white slavery, illegal drugs, child porn and so on. Oddly, alcohol, also a hazard to the human body when consumed irresponsibly, use to be the enterprise that fueled organized crime back in the day. Now, there is little interest in alcohol products by those guys. We live in a strange world at this point in history. Alcohol...good, MJ...good, porn...good and in New York, "big gulp"...bad, foam containers...bad, fun school lunches...bad. And so it goes.

Thank goodness for the sound of water lapping at the hull. Keeps me sane.
 
I voted against legalizing pot; was convinced it would lead to all kinds of problems--stoned driving, stoned children, good people running amok, bad behavior all around. But so far I haven't seen evidence of any of that. It's too early for us to know the all longterm impacts of legalization on public health, but I suspect we'll find it's a lot more benign than alcohol.

To bring the subject back to boating, does anyone know what the Coast Guard will do when they find marijuana aboard? It's still against federal law, and I'm not sure that being in Washington state waters will be exculpatory.
 
If you have Pot on board its pretty bad I understand, the law has the option to take your craft, this is based on so much pot that has been smuggled in by boat in the state of Fl that if the officer wants to he can ruin my day by taking my Ocklawaha Queen for a bud, that would be pretty harsh but it's the law.
Our current president is one of the first public officals to admit he inhaled, so I guess this proves marijuana is a "Gate Way Drug" to the office of president. I'm sorry to hear so many of you so upset over a "Drug" that has no rehab centers. I'm 60 now and have smoked pot all my life and I must admit that all of you Brat's that are upset about Pot make me feel very young, thank you. If we meet at an event I always have some to share. :disgust
 
I looked at Initiative 502

It defined and legalized small amounts of marijuana-related products for adults 21 and over, taxes them and designates the revenue for healthcare and substance-abuse prevention and education along with marijuana related research at 2 Washington state universities and defines DUI levels.
 
I see a PNW boat docked in the PNW on a controversial website
and some other scenes and plants.

If you see this as threatening, offensive or in very bad taste you
may be seeing your own reflection in the calm water.

Also, you have the option of not looking at it.

Aye.

Grandma used to say, "We don't see the world as it is.
We see it as we are."
 
Milk is the gateway drug. I think having a small amount of Mary Jane should not be a crime. Even hashish which looks a lot like a duraflame fire log as I noted to Cliff while helping him attend a fire at a Florida gathering. I think the Drug enforcement agency was a money pit. Legal or illegal people want to do what they want to do. The juicer and weed discussion goes on but I don't think smoking is as that good for you but the brownie thing is cool or so I've heard. :mrgreen: Alcohol has certainly been a problem. I think if someone was under the influence of Alcohol they might drive a little faster than the oh wow bunch but no one should drive impaired. Like mom said everything in moderation.
D.D.
 
Will-C":1aie1zzl said:
SNIP Like mom said everything in moderation. D.D.
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I pretty sure Grandma wouldn't use "everything" in that statement.

Aye.

Grandpa used to say, "The devil is in the details."
 
I agree that this isn't necessarily the kind of debate that changes anybodies mind. I don't have any kind of lily-white history myself but as a long time resident of the Emerald Triangle I have some pretty strong opinions about pot growing. The get-rich-quick mentality is an ugly one. Right now there is a whole generation of 20 or 30 somethings who don't know how to hold down a real job. Plenty of them have loads of cash soo the kids coming out of school see it as an easy career choice, etc, ad nauseum.

The only solution I can see is legalization. Let the tobacco farmers grow it and cut out this BS. I don't think pot is an innocuous drug - I know plenty of people who have problems, in my opinion, with it. But prohibition isn't working. Tax the hell out of it and bust them if they drive or give it to kids is the best we can do.

Thanks for letting me rant. I don't have a C-Dory anymore but I love this forum.

Jeff
 
I usually "like" your FB posts, Marty - I "like" a lot FB posts with which I agree. But I have pretty much stopped "sharing" them all. I will never convince Tom Elliott, and he will never convince me. We are still friends (I hope), and as you are fond of pointing out, "...we're all in the same boat..."

dotnmarty":3lzkpmli said:
Pat-I unfriend you. (just kidding)
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Of course you're right Pat, most of it is preaching to the choir at best and offending those who believe otherwise at worst. Sometimes, like in this instance, buttons get pushed and someone may test the limits of "just be nice". Personally I thinks it's wonderful, and our only hope really.
 
Brats,
To those who do not live in Washington state, you may not understand the pot laws here.

Washington now has legal, controlled marijuana growing, processing and sales. The state liquor board is in charge. The stores are not near schools, and the stores are run by local folks. I wanted to see what was up, so I visited 3 stores in the Skagit County area.

All three were very nice inside, clean, with friendly staff. They check your age before they let you into the store. Over 21 only. One store even checked my ID. As I am over 70 I was flattered, and said, 'Is there anyway you could think I could be under 21?' All product is in sealed containers, with the lab test results printed on the label.

I was told by one store to treat a pot purchase as one would treat alcohol. Don't open the package till you are at home, and transport the sealed package in the trunk, same as alcohol.

This system should eliminate many of the problems with street pot. The product is tested for mold, pesticides, and potency.

When alcohol was changed from not-legal to legal in the 1930's, many of the problems caused by it's illegality were ended. It's too early to tell the final outcome, but I hear that the Mexican cartels are pissed that they are loosing the pot business in Colorado and Washington.

Just not having to arrest, persecute, and incarcerate pot users has saved the state of Washington $ millions. Plus the state gets about 40% of the purchase price in tax.

It must be tough to be a LEO. One day you are busting folks smoking weed, the next day its legal! Police have to follow and enforce the law, even when it 'just changes'. In this case by a majority vote of the voters of Washington.

Even if it is legal to use in private, don't take pot on your boat. The Feds are a little irate that the citizens of Washington would challenge the Federal government and change the status or marijuana, and will punish you if they can.
 
Nice for users but what are they really getting?

Since marijuana is a drug having systemic effects in the human body, what or who
checks for purity, safety and effectiveness? The FDA? I think not since they are
opposed in the first place to the State legalization. Then maybe the State has
checks to assure their State legal buyers are not poisoned, overdosed or have
other toxic effects from impurities, unique strains, etc. either intentionally or
unintentionally added to the product by untrained growers. I do not know.
I also am not too concerned since I don't use the stuff.

I can't see the alcohol, tobacco or even the food industry being let loose
without some regulation to protect the public from ill effects.

Shop owners telling their customer buyers not to open the product until home
is moronic.

What aboot that, eah?

Aye.
 
Foggy,

The state of Washington, as authorized by the voters, is checking the marijuana sold in its licensed stores for potency and impurities such as mold, and pesticides.

This is way more info than the black market provides.
During Prohibition, black market alcohol could contain toxins, poison, etc. Problem solved by legalizing and controlling potency and purity.

Overdosing is left to the individual, the same as alcohol.

Not opening the package till you are at home or in private is also in the law, just as the 'No open container" laws for booze. The law says you may NOT display or use pot in public. Very much like you cannot walk down a public street with an open bottle of alcohol. The law prohibits use while driving, just like alcohol, and specifies a blood THC limit, just like the .08 limit for alcohol.

Pot use is now recognized and regulated. A much better situation than prohibition and the black market.

Larry H
 
Sold a boat to a licensed pot grower awhile back. Really nice guy, family man as well. It is very interesting to hear how involved the state is in the production and growing of the stuff. Apparently their growing facility is fully barbed wire fencing that the state put up. Also their every move is audio and video recorded all around the facility by the state. So they are constantly being watched.

He was an interesting customer to say the least. Couldn't phone him before noon because he was too stoned to wake up at a decent hour. :roll:
 
Thanks for the info, Larry.

And, it seems like it's off to a reasonable, rational and regulated start.

I wonder why the banks, savings and loan, etc won't touch the money coming
from this new profitable industry and all dealings are in cash? That looks like
it's on the dark side rather than an open really legit business.

I think the Feds have something to do with this and are sitting back letting this
"experiment" develop until there is a problem, then WHAM, they'll come in and
shut everyone down not much minding who goes to prison.

And, I'll bet my Federal US Government Military, Army, Navy, Marines and
National Guard can beat up your State Police.

Aye.
 
Foggy,

I think the Feds know they are on the loosing end of the pot controversy. TWO states have now defied the Feds on this, and other states are considering it.

The Feds have classed marijuana the same as LSD and heroin. Many folks recognize that as wrong. Lying about the nature and effects of a physical substance that many people have direct personal experience with just doesn't work anymore.

Both WA and CO are taking steps to closely control pot to prevent Fed action, but if the pot gets out of control, I too, think the Feds could step in.

Any action by the feds could have consequences at election time. Washington's electors went to Obama, not sure about Colorado. Will Obama now stomp on Washington state and piss off his (Democratic) voters?

Considering that there is a black market for pot in every state, worrying about the regulated, tested State approved stuff is not worth it. Better to worry about what new, untested, uncontrolled drugs the kids are taking now.

It's a sunny day here in WA, hope your weather is good too.

Larry H
 
Pandion":132t2iip said:
I voted against legalizing pot; was convinced it would lead to all kinds of problems--stoned driving, stoned children, good people running amok, bad behavior all around. But so far I haven't seen evidence of any of that. It's too early for us to know the all longterm impacts of legalization on public health, but I suspect we'll find it's a lot more benign than alcohol..
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Here are 3 high profile car crashes with some fatalities in Washington state...

http://q13fox.com/2012/12/18/driver-charged-with-dui-marijuana-after-fatal-crash-in-vancouver-wa/
http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today...an-who-caused-highway-2-crash-had-smoked-pot/
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/...igil-for-teens-killed-in-crash-288361371.html
 
Note that minors cannot legally use pot in Washington.

This 17yr old kid (in the KOMO story) was in violation of several laws, and somewhat stupid.

Its terrible about the other kids in the car, but sometimes Darwin was right.
 
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