Questions about used 22 cruiser

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m steinheimer

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Hello- After lurking around the site for a couple of years, I registered today and need advice- Today I spent some time looking at the cruiser 22 here in Lodi that is for sale- It's a 2002, good shape, quite clean, about 125 hours on boat and motor (Yamaha 100) used for fishing (mostly California rivers and Delta). The first owner put a few strange items on the sides and top of the cabin and drilled holes through the top (about 5 1/4" holes) and 3 or 4 smaller holes in the cabin sides- I'm not too troubled by that-- Questions:
1- I'm concerned that the Yamaha 100 is a bit heavy and right at the upper end of the power rating- have others had experience with that set up on the 22's?
2- Now the silly question- hull is dark green- when I bought our first boat, my better half made it clear that all boats had to be blue and/or white, or they would not be purchased from community property funds-- I'm guessing it's impractical and wasteful to try to handle that issue with paint?
3- The owner said he's had trouble recently with the fuel filters and is installing new Yamaha filters??, I got the sense this was a significant issue for some reason? Thoughts?
4. Any obvious things I should be watching or looking for on a 2002 that could be problems?

sorry for the length- I've thoroughly enjoyed reading your discussions this past 2 years and look forward to meeting some of you on the water one of these days- Max
 
Welcome Aboard Max,

What took you so long to jump in?

As to your questions:

1: There is nothing wrong with be at the top end of the power range as long as the engine weight does not get out of hand. I am not a Yamie man, so I can't tell you off hand how it compares in weight with other motors of the same horse power, but I dought it will give you much problem in that area.

2. Holes...heck these cabins need ventilation. Without seeing pictures I can't say for sure what the previous owner had installed, unless it was a vent for a cabin heater or he used his yard flag pole there. But they can be filled in and gelcoated over if they give you a lot of grief.

3. That brings me to the color job. I have a 93 Angler and it is power blue...a bit dated in my openion and I plan on changing the color soon to dark blue. I am going to use Awlgrip Paint on my boat and I don't see much of a problem being I plan on hanging on to this boat for many years to come. You on the other hand are buying a later model boat and might want to sell it down the road in just a few years to get that 25 or 255 Tom Cat and the paint job might put a little dent in the resale value.

Well buddy, that's my two cents worth and I hope you get your boat and have a great time with it as I and many others here have.

Be sure to see the thread "Slide Show - Wandering the IP to Alaska" and set down with your wife and watch the show...it is great way to see the enjoyment you can have with your C-Dory 22.
 
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2- Now the silly question- hull is dark green- when I bought our first boat, my better half made it clear that all boats had to be blue and/or white, or they would not be purchased from community property funds-- Max
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That is what she said when you bought the first boat.....does she still remember saying that? Seeing what your profession is, you don't need advise from me on this, however how about trying to convince her that when she is on the boat enjoying all of its' attributes, she won't be able to even see what color it is on the outside.... :wink .

(Of course, because of my profession, I wouldn't have any othe color boat but RED!)
 
1- I'm concerned that the Yamaha 100 is a bit heavy and right at the upper end of the power rating- have others had experience with that set up on the 22's?

Not a problem at all. I have a Yamaha 90 and it's just about ideal. 10 horses on top of 90 will be almost indistinguishable from the 90. The Yamaha's weigh 369 lbs and a Honda 90 373lbs (except for 2007, which is a few pounds lighter with a new engine block). Some folks even have Suzuki 90's on their 22's which weigh 419 lbs, or another 80-100 lbs or so from a "kicker" trolling motor.



2- Now the silly question- hull is dark green- when I bought our first boat, my better half made it clear that all boats had to be blue and/or white, or they would not be purchased from community property funds-- I'm guessing it's impractical and wasteful to try to handle that issue with paint?

If that's an issue, paint it. Fortunately the color stripe down the side and the roof are small areas easily painted. Does the bottom already have bottom paint? Check the cost out first, though. Mel Morrison of Morrison'
s Marine in Sacramento can paint anything and make it look factory fresh, including even matching the metalflake on bass boats. He can fill those bothersome holes, too! Get a price quote, first, however.


3- The owner said he's had trouble recently with the fuel filters and is installing new Yamaha filters??, I got the sense this was a significant issue for some reason? Thoughts?

Just install a Racor 10 micron filter with a drainable see-through bowl in the bottom. The 2002 Yamaha is carbureted, not fuel injected, and shouldn't be as sensitive as an injected motor. He probably had "old fuel" issues with gas that had not been stabilized with an additive and been allowed to get old in the tanks. If so dump it, add new fuel and Stabil brand additive.
If it runs rough, you may have to have the carbs "rebuilt".

4. Any obvious things I should be watching or looking for on a 2002 that could be problems?

Run a search on the "leaky rub rail" topic and see if that was the year that the rub rails were installed incorrectly.

Good Luck and if you have more questions!

Joe.
 
The engine is not a problem at all. It is the same engine used as an 80 H.P. which is de-tuned. I have the 80 and they both weigh the same. Be Happy, You got the better deal. More power for the same weight. I will gladly trade engines if you like. :mrgreen: The extra power will be useful when loaded heavy.

Not sure what the micron filtration is on well known filters like Racor. Usually the filter is not the problem. The problem is usually too much sediment in the fuel. This plugs up the filters and they need to be changed often. But if it keeps the dirt/water from reaching the engine that is all a good filter can do.

You might need to pull the tanks and flush them out. It only takes one fill up from a marina to get a ton of filter plugging sediment. One more reason/advantage to fill up from a well known gas station.

The basic filter is just a filter. It gets plugged up and you change it. The next best filter will have a bowl on the bottom that traps moisture. (Recommended) You can drain off the water thru a small valve and continue to use the filter if it does not get plugged with sediment. The Yamaha filter is a 10 micron filter. I think they are going to this filtration to keep all the new fuel injection engines cleaner.

Open your engine cover and look on the port side rear of the engine down along the block. You will see a small in-line last chance filter. If it is the original Yamaha filter it will be white plastic. You can find at Wal-Mart and other places in the boat section an inline filter with three extra filters for about $12. These are clear and can easily be checked for sediment, cleaned and reused or replaced. When you suspect fuel is not getting past your main filter you can inspect this filter for sediment or fuel flow.

Take a close look at your fuel tank vents. There is one on each side of the hull. You should see two vent holes. One should point down and the other should point aft. On some boats these got a bit turned forward. When the hull throws a spray it funnels right into the fuel vent to the tank. This may account for excessive moisture in the fuel. Some people upgrade to a better designed vent. Others cover them with a small clam shell for better protection. Your boat has them mounted above the rub-rail. On older boats they are below the rub-rail.
 
Welcome to the site! A great deal of knowlege...and fertilizer at times too all in one stop. If you have been poking about the site for a couple of years, you know most of us put "our things" for our uses all over our boats. I am in the process of restoring the last 18' Angler produced. I think during the hull restoration/painting phase, there were over 130 holes that were filled. Some as large as 2 1/2".... down to the simple punch thru for a single wire or 1/8" thru hull bolt/nut/washer assembley. Not a problem.

Now, if you have had holes drilled, left wide open and exposed to the open weather, not under a cover or in a garage.... I'd take a closer look at the holes... and poke about a bit for "soft spots." Pay real close attention if anyone has mounted anything on the transom... These holes have to be filled properly, and/or caulked when items of any type are mounted. It is only a 2002 boat. Sortta new for a used C-Dory. Even if some things were done wrong... depending on the amount of water exposure, there may not be any issue...other than getting it corrected now prior to more use.

You should know that good used C-Dory boat deals do not last long. By the time I have responded, the boat may have already been sold. If not, go ahead and have the conversation with the wife...and have cash ready when the boat you want comes available.

Good read on the filters C-Weed. Glad to see you up and kicking again and we missed you on the Thanksgiving Cruise in Nashville.

Byrdman
 
Yep...what they said! We have the same engine as C-Weed. Love it. Chris is right on about changing the filters.

As long as you are happy with the condition of everything, go for it.
Rick
 
On the color green, well, I believe it is the most chosen color C-Dory of all according to the results of a survey awhile back. At our household, green was the ONLY choice, hands down.
 
Welcome aboard--I don't think that there is anyplace else on the internet where you would get such excellent advice in a few hours.

I agree with all of the other posts--even if there was a little water intrusion into the 1/4" holes, you can easily route out any balsa core which might have been softened, and fill that with a mishmash of resin and short fibers/cabisol (the only reason I suggest polyester resin over epoxy here is that you will want to re-gel coat the holes.

As for the color--We happen to prefer blue--but the next TC 255 available was in green--and it grows on you! (and the wife). I agree that professionally Awlgrip sprayed on is the best solution for a color change. With a newer boat there will probably have to still be a few places filled and an epoxy base coat put on before the color layers of two part polyurethane. But consider that a paint job usually runs about $100 a foot (more for bigger boats). So, you might want to see how the color grows on you before you make the change.

The 22 is the greatest small boat in the world!
 
Thanks to all of you, great and timely advice, now comes the "finding the right number" part, and if it isn't this one, I'm armed for the next one- thanks again, Max
 
the 100hp eng is really a 90 hp yamaha they are the same motors different decals the eng block is the same as the mercury 90/75 the yamaha was rated as a80 /100hp for marketing reasons these eng use the 1.6 block the yami f115 uses a 1.7 block
as far as the color goes , you and your wife have to decide what you are willing to accept green , grey,blue ,red or black
my only concern was finding a boat that we could afford and color was not even a consideration .
 
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