Ranger Tug 23

Hi Jim. I have seen it. I was curious of folks over here knew about it.

For everyone, if the discussion of the RT 23 is not welcome here, just iggy my question. Should I have just stated that there is a new RT 23 and left it at that?

Thanks.
 
It's not that your comments aren't welcome, but that the C-Brats aren't Ranger Tug advocates. I'm sure there will be plenty of opinions on the Ranger 23, and most of them will be on the Tug site. It is a new boat for the Ranger line.

Boris
 
Sam Walker":36e4ibv9 said:
Hi Jim. I have seen it. I was curious of folks over here knew about it.

For everyone, if the discussion of the RT 23 is not welcome here, just iggy my question. Should I have just stated that there is a new RT 23 and left it at that?

Thanks.
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Oh no, Sam, you're fine. Perfectly welcome.

Thanks to your post, I took a look at it myself. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of info on it at the Ranger site, e.g., outboard HP and the inboard configuration. Should be interesting to see what they come up with.
 
It would be interesting to find out if it is a displacement, semi-displacement, or planing hull. While Ranger seems to have a lot of bling and features in their boats, I personally prefer the utilitarian appearance of C-Dory boats.
 
Wow - 100K base price. Most of us can afford a C-16, we can stretch to a bigger Angler, maybe cut a C-22, dream of a C-25, and drool over a Cat, but at 100K+ I am thinking keeping a boat in the water and getting a trawler. My neighbor has a 1100 HP lake boat that is on its third engine - that is why they make both chocolate and vanilla ice cream, so we all have a choice.
Bob Jarrard
 
It does have a head and more space in the cockpit. Looks like it would sleep 4 with some comfort (but crowded). Interesting in that it puts all the features of a 25 footer into a 22-23 footer for under $100K. They had to switch over to an overboard (or I/O) to do it. I would have been interested.
 
Yes the 23' is part of the Ranger family, and they would be certainly partial to there smaller offering.
But, opinions from outside the family would be more valuable and less partial.
All boats, are compromises. And that might be the definition of "thoughts about specific boats".
 
bobjarrard":28nojmrj said:
Wow - 100K base price. Most of us can afford a C-16, we can stretch to a bigger Angler, maybe cut a C-22, dream of a C-25, and drool over a Cat, but at 100K+ I am thinking keeping a boat in the water and getting a trawler. My neighbor has a 1100 HP lake boat that is on its third engine - that is why they make both chocolate and vanilla ice cream, so we all have a choice.
Bob Jarrard
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yup!
 
Hey, Sam - No problem with discussing it. I just thought if you were interested, you'd find more info on the TugNuts.

There is only so much you can do with the layout of a 22 to 25 foot boat and make it a worthwhile cruiser... I think the Ranger folks do a fine job with making boats that are very appealing. Certainly a different animal from the more utilitarian C-Dory, but I think there are plenty of potential buyers for both. Ranger management knows how to keep their owners involved, and obviously listens to their suggestions.

There is (was) quite a gap, both in size/features and price between the R-21 and the R-25SC. Looks, to me, like this new boat will fill that gap nicely.

The exterior styling is more like a downsized R-29 (the new version) than an upsized R-21. Good timing, with the Seattle Boat Show coming up - I'm guessing Ranger will fill plenty of build slots with this new model.

Jim
 
There are two boats, one is the Ranger 23 really 27, with swim step/outboard bracket. The second is the Cutwater 24. The Ranger 23 is more in competition with the C Dory 25/26, with HP up to 200 (?) and the Cutwater 24 up to 300 hp.

This is opening up a new venue to boats for Ranger/Cutwater, and in direct competition with C Dory. My guess, is that these are both planing boats. The fuel economy will be slightly less than the C Dory 25/26, but not far off.

There are always gives and takes, on these types of boats. One question I would be asking is head room in the....head.

Both are going to be more fit and finish in "yacht" style, vs the utilitarian of the C Dory line.

It certainly fills a void in the Ranger/Cutwater line--I'll look at them in the boat shows--and I suspect that a lot of these boats will be sold--probably outselling new C Dorys in the first year!

There will be a lot more information in the next few months--and there are already pre-orders on both of these boats. The folks behind Ranger and Cutwater are anything but dumb or foolish. They know what will sell, and how to sell it, despite a higher price over the C Dory. My personal preference remains the C Dory, but these new boats cut into both C Dory and Rosbrough/ Acadia/ Eastern, etc lines.
 
The Ranger 23 is a nice boat. I like the OB power. The list price for a new one isn't that far off from a new '22 or 25' (AFAIK). A CD-25 might even be more.

The style and finish of the Ranger is in a different league than the C-Dory line.

Maybe in a few years a used R-23 will be the same ballpark as a used C-Dory.
 
South of Heaven":17mkmm5k said:
I think the 21 is pretty cool (inside and out) and has some really nice cruising touches. I'm NOT however sold on the power.. a 30 HP diesel? Couldn't they have done at least 50hp?? That boat can't get out of its own way. That's the Tug life I guess!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItUUGAY0f8U
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I think the answer is that the Ranger Tug EC-21 is a displacement boat, not a planing boat so is only going to go 7-8 knots or so regardless of the hp, so why add more hp?

We frequently hear on this site that a kicker on a CD-22 need not be any greater than 10 hp, as it will only use more gas and drag the stern more and make a bigger wake.

Maybe the 30 hp on the little tug is a bit of overkill, but makes owners feel better and more secure?

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
South Of Heaven, I love the R21 as well but you have to be content with its speed limitations.

Joe is correct regarding the HP. I can't recite it off the top of my head but there is a formula to determine the hull speed of a boat. A displacement boat will not exceed its predetermined hull speed no matter how much HP you add. The beauty of a displacement hull is they can handle being loaded up with more weight without a big sacrifice in handling, speed or economy. The speed curve on the best fuel efficiency graph is also much broader than the narrow window represented by a planning hull.

Guys have loaded the R21 up with supplies and extra fuel to go up the inside passage to Alaska.

Regards, Rob
 
Robert H. Wilkinson":3obol9wx said:
There is a formula to determine the hull speed of a boat. A displacement boat will not exceed its predetermined hull speed no matter how much HP.
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From the Web:

"Hull speed is expressed as 1.34 X the square root of LWL, or length of waterline. If a cruising sailboat has a waterline length of 36 feet, she should be able to sail 1.34 x 6, or approximately eight knots."
 
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