Reversing seat in 22

tparrent

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Is there a standard way to fit the seat back cushion when sliding back the settee seat so that it is forward facing?

I feel like I must be missing something really obvious - or the builder did. When I slide the seat back, there is room for the cushion in front of the table but nothing to hold it up there.

Thanks
 
Here is a detail shot from another 2007 C-Dory (I think attachments have varied over the years). If this was the style of yours, I would think you would have this wooden "slot" piece on the seat box. Then it would be a matter of .... do you have the fiberglass molded "shape" that fits into it to support the back cushion? Maybe it's something you were wondering about the function of?!

(Or maybe yours works differently altogether).

This is from a 2007 named "Skeeter" that was for sale at one point in time.

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I have that wooden bar with slots but not the fiberglass insert.

I suppose I could fashion a wood replacement - if I had even the barest minimum of carpentry skills, which if course I don't.

Does anyone know of a source for these or similar seatbacks?
 
On my boat, the forward part of the table is hinged. It drops down and forms the back rest. The back cushion is then put in place and secured by little straps and male poppers which connect to the female popper under the table.

Hope I described it ok. Sorry no pics.

Martin.
 
My table has a hinge there as well but the hinged part just seems to swing loosely. Maybe I need to take a closer look. I do have snaps on the cushion
 
I don't have the reversing seat at all, but I have seen the "non-fiberglass-thing" type in photos, and I would think it would be preferable. Then no need to carry "the thing" along when the seat is in table position.

So on the ones that just snap to the lowered table section... is there additional plywood stiffening inside the seat cushion? Or is it just the regular seat cushion completely supported by the part of the table that is flopped down?

Sounds like it is a matter of securing the flopped-down-table-piece so it is rigid, and then webbing/snaps to attach the cushion to the table when facing forward? (Or does it somehow use the snapped fabric flap that is already there to attach it to the bulkhead when facing aft?)

So far I'm fine with my boat without the converting seat, but... you never know.
 
Under my table attached to the column is a built in back stop. So when the hinged part of the table is lowered it rest against the back stop.

My seat cushion is reinforced (probably plywood) because it is the top to my storage locker below.

Martin.
 
bridma":3dgjsqj5 said:
My seat cushion is reinforced (probably plywood) because it is the top to my storage locker below.

Oops, I meant to be asking about the seat back cushion. The seat back cushions on my boat are "just" foam and fabric, and they snap to the bulkheads to hold them in place. I was just wondering if the seat back cushion that ends up forming the back to the forward facing seat is reinforced in any way, or if it is just foam and fabric still. (Maybe it does not need anything additional.)
 
Sunbeam":27yeo526 said:
bridma":27yeo526 said:
My seat cushion is reinforced (probably plywood) because it is the top to my storage locker below.

Oops, I meant to be asking about the seat back cushion. The seat back cushions on my boat are "just" foam and fabric, and they snap to the bulkheads to hold them in place. I was just wondering if the seat back cushion that ends up forming the back to the forward facing seat is reinforced in any way, or if it is just foam and fabric still. (Maybe it does not need anything additional.)



I'm pretty sure that the seat back cushion is just foam and fabric because the dropped down table section is the rigid part.

Martin.
 
Thanks - sounds like a good setup, and no fiberglass "thing" to have to stow when the dinette is made up.

I think I have seen where something like a barrel bolt is used to support that hanging table flap on the boats that do not have a central table pedestal, so they are then probably also capable of using just the regular, foam-and-fabric back cushion.
 
On my 22 the table leaf folds down, slide the seat box back, take the back cushion off the bulkhead and swap it to the drop leaf on the table. There should be a couple of straps with snaps on the cushion to snap onto the table leaf. I've usually put a pillow there for more comfort.
 
When the dinette is set up, the "fiberglass thingy" moves along with the cushion around to support the seat back in the backward seating position. In other words, it is always stowed as it is used either forward facing or rear facing.
 
potter water":aytzqhtw said:
When the dinette is set up, the "fiberglass thingy" moves along with the cushion around to support the seat back in the backward seating position.

I never would have thought of that. Thanks for mentioning it! So now I'm curious: Does the seat cushion lift for accessing the locker beneath it? And if so can that happen with the "thingy" in place? I see there is a door in the side, so that's probably what you usually use to get into the locker, but I'm just curious now if the seat cushion also lifts.

It's interesting to me how the molded interior evolved. I started to notice it when I was looking at 22's for sale before I bought mine. It was like seeing it change before my eyes as I saw different boats; I even had one of the rare (I believe) "original" molded interior ones come up for sale while I was looking (which is now Colby's "Midnight Flyer" - he snapped it up before I even had a chance though :D :D)
 
Apparently the methods of reversing the seat are endless! While looking through my boat for something else, I came upon this "cutting board" contraption and it all came back to me.

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On my boat, you insert the "cutting board" in a slot in the folded leaf of the table and then into the wood frame on the back of the seat.

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The trick then is securing the cushion - and I just couldn't figure out how to do it until some foggy neuron lit up and I remembered finding an ADDITIONAL cushion on the boat. Sure enough, I found the extra seatback cushion in the v berth and it has straps with snaps to fit around the leaf and secure the cushion.

The cutting board takes up almost no storage space (I had it behind the water tank) and, in a pinch, could be used to slice vegetables!
 
Just following this thread a bit. I have a 2007 and it uses the plastic insert for the reversible seat. Seems to me the hinged table would work better. The plastic does not provide much support and I imagine would break fairly easy if one were to lean back much. I have reversed the seat twice, but tend to leave it in the forward position. The table somewhat supports it from bending backwards, but when in the facing rearward position, there is nothing behind it helping to brace it.
 
Colby,

I think you have the (I believe rare) "original" molded interior.... right? Of course this just goes to prove tparrent's assertion that there are endless ways to do it :D

Anyway, I'm curious now: I think that the co-pilot seat in yours is "fixed" into position, and thus the footwell for the forward-facing person is always there, as is the seat base, and then the table is "permanently" smaller (because if it were made larger it would extend over the forward seat). So you don't slide or move the seat base, but merely change the backrest from one end to the other...kind of like a miniaturized 25?

The "for sale" photos just barely showed that detail, so I was never positive.
 
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by original molded interior. But I do have a small table and the seat bottom in front of it does not change/move. ;-( It does have a molded step up with a small compartment under it, but I don't believe there is any kind of foot rest. I'd have to look now to be sure, but it's under cover for the winter. :-( Actually, the compartment extends the length under the table also as I think about it.
 
colbysmith":1mqnkwpy said:
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by original molded interior.

Before the molded interiors came out, all of the 22 Cruiser interiors were made "stick built" style, with a surfaced marine plywood called Decraguard™ (I think the early "wooden" ones used Formica surfacing and the later white ones are more of a paperized coating, but all Decraguard).

Then as they started building a lot of C-Dories (mid-2000's) they decided to go to molded interiors. For the 22 Cruiser, rather than making it just like the Decraguard™ interior, they changed the design slightly and made it more like the 25. Traditionally, the 22 had a "large" dinette table, and two seats (forward one either sliding/reversible or fixed, but same size/shape either way). The two seats and the table take up the entire port side, so are two relatively large seats, and a relatively large table. When they first made the 22 molded interior, they made it more like the 25 on the port side, which is to say that the forward seat box doesn't move, but instead has a permanent footwell forward, a "smaller" seat box, and then another footwell aft, under the table (and shared with the aft seat). Instead of the seat box sliding to convert it, just the seat back is changed from one side of the seat to the other to face the two different ways.

Since the 22 cabin is only so long, this resulted in a smaller table and a smaller forward seat (because the footwell was "subtracted" from the earlier layout dimensions). The layout got some negative reviews from members here (and perhaps some dealers as well), and was soon changed to basically mimic the Decraguard interior, but molded.

The starboard side of the 22 molded interior was initially made pretty much the same as the Decraguard one, so I don't think it was "re-changed" in overall design.

One other detail: It may be that the early molded interiors didn't have any dividers between areas inside (i.e. the multiple doors led into one big area and things could slide between them), and that was changed later --- I'm not sure about that part since you can't really see it in photos. Do your lockers have separation or do they feed into one another by being sort of like "one big room" inside?

There may be more, but that's what I know about it. I've only seen two boats "in the wild" with the original molded interior design. I think it is pretty rare, but not sure how many were actually made.

So folks can see what I am talking about, here is a photo of what I'm calling the "original" molded interior. It's a little hard to see, but the footwell forward of the forward seat is "permanent," the table is smaller, and the seat box doesn't slide to face either way -- just the backrest is changed around.

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For comparison, here is a Decraguard interior dinette area. This is without a convertible seat, but when it is convertible, it's all the same basic shape and size, just the "box" part of the forward seat is cut above the foot platform level and slides aft to reveal a footwell (that is normally covered up by the seat box. Then part of the table hinges down to make room for it.

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I thought it was interesting that when they (almost immediately) re-designed this to be like the Decraguard layout, they left that "indent" in the raised sole where the footwell is, and so ended up with a vestigial overhang on the base to the forward seat (it sort of hung over and slid back and forth with the seat). Later they cut that bit off, but still left the forward foot platform indented, so the seat box hung over. There is probably some good reason for this that I can't see, but I always wondered why, when they changed the mold that they didn't just bring that forward foot "indent" back out flush like the Decraguard boats, and then the seat box would have matched without a "tail" or overhang.
 
Yep, if I didn't know better, I would say that is my boat. ;-) There is no divider between the "foot Locker" and the storage area under the seat. However, I think there is a bulkhead between the back of the seat area and the footlocker underneath the table... I think...but I could be wrong. I'd have to look to remember. Colby
 
I did a simple cutout of the forward bulkhead.

Then mounted a a solid piece of thin plywood at the back of the seat cushion to allow it to rest in either direction.

Simple, functional, retains maximum storage space.

Sharon has used it this way for 2 seasons and is still pleased with it and finds if comfortable in either position.

Photos 26 and 27 in the "Bixby's Cub" album.
 
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