South of Heaven
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Bob, check out the new Grand Banks 60!
Seattle Boat Show - Such a sparse showing
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Might be a decent coastal cruising boat--but not a "Passagemaker" as touted. The boat is very light weight, and that is why they can get the high speeds. If you get in heavy weather--it would be a disaster.South of Heaven":1cog39n0 said:
She was over 2 years behind on the launch--and price is a "measly 3.28 million--base price. Rigged out, probably over 4 million! A bit out of my price range, even if I was looking for a boat that size. Best deal is a used Nordhavn--I have seen a 62 for in the $700K asking price, and I suspect you could buy her for less. A lot more boat--but since it is 20 years old, might need a few upgrades...I am familiar with this boat and the one for $899K and both have made long voyages trouble free recently--A new boat comparable would be over $4 million. If you really want a bargain--there is a 2017 Nordhavn 63, with less than 500 hours on the engine, for the bargain price of 2.7 million!
They can have em'! Big and very comfortable, yes, but limited in so many other ways. Small, rugged, economical, trailerable and portable boats like ours are so much fun and such a wise investment--if we use them. I've been told a dozen times over the years by couples in large cruisers that the most fun they had boating was when they owned an island-hopper like ours years ago.
Buy a boat for a specific purpose. If you are crossing oceans, the big boat, is both safer and far more comfortable. If you are doing rivers lakes, near shore cruising, and trailering--nothing beats a C Dory (but I am prejudiced!
Marie and I both say the best times of our lives were when we were cruising full time--and crossing oceans-- or long coastal trips. For the inland passage, there are two ways of looking at it. The C Dory can make a good 25 miles an hour, and go over 100 miles in a day, even with the passes, adverse currents etc. We had the Cal 46 for our 4 inland passages at a slow pace (6 to 7 knots, max sustained 8 knots). A long day was 50 miles. --But we had unlimited hot water, with a nice hot shower, 10 cu foot freezer, range of 3000 miles under power. Heater that kept the entire boat warm at night. Would handle any weather, with out stopping if we wanted. If we wanted "Fast" the RIB would do 20 knots and could be launched in a couple of minutes. Pilot house to be out of the weather...Like the C Dory. But we had unlimited time... got 6 miles per gallon of diesel...
Marie and I both say the best times of our lives were when we were cruising full time--and crossing oceans-- or long coastal trips. For the inland passage, there are two ways of looking at it. The C Dory can make a good 25 miles an hour, and go over 100 miles in a day, even with the passes, adverse currents etc. We had the Cal 46 for our 4 inland passages at a slow pace (6 to 7 knots, max sustained 8 knots). A long day was 50 miles. --But we had unlimited hot water, with a nice hot shower, 10 cu foot freezer, range of 3000 miles under power. Heater that kept the entire boat warm at night. Would handle any weather, with out stopping if we wanted. If we wanted "Fast" the RIB would do 20 knots and could be launched in a couple of minutes. Pilot house to be out of the weather...Like the C Dory. But we had unlimited time... got 6 miles per gallon of diesel...
starcrafttom
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Bob you bring up a good point. Its the right boat for the right misson for the right person. Susan and I like our CD27 a lot. I like it for the big deck and the speed. Susan likes the tugs for the " girl factor" . They are a nice boat and I would like one but they are too slow for out life right now
Well except for the new RT-27 , which will cruise in the high 20's to low 30's and is reported to get the same or better fuel burn I do now. Even the 22 CD is to slow for Our life right now. Its all about spending more time on the boat , whether its fishing or hanging on the hook , and less time running. We love our 27 because we can run at the same level of comfort at 28 mph as a 22 does at 18 mph. Its about the same ride. And its a better ride then the 25's I have been on at 22 -24 mph. Point is that we have a limited amount of time to spend on the water and some times I have to cut it short and head back. If we are on the west side of the SJ's that extra speed can gain us 2 to 4 hours or extra boating time over travel time. I no longer see boating and travel on a boat as equal.
So when we do have the time to go to alaska in the 27 I am not sure that I will take the 27. I just might buy a bigger boat with more comfort for the summer and sell when I get back. Yes its a long term plan. I would have to have a whole 6 month to travel the way I want but that is the point. I want to take my time and be more comfortable. I want to tow or launch a small boat for fishing while leaving the travel boat and Susan on the hook. WE have been looking in to doing just this in a few years WITHOUT SELLING THE 27. We dont want to wait until retirement to do this trip and will need the 27 when we get back. We can do all this for a lot less money then buying the RT-27 outboard . But damm that is a nice boat.
So I quest the point is that even thought I have the same needs those needs our defined by time. If we only can manage one or tow months for our Alaska trip then its the current 27 ( unless everyone of you buys a house from me this year) . but if we have more time its going to be a used 31 camano troll or Grand banks 42 for the year or so.
Well its off to craiglist to find a 31 CT in alaska.
Well except for the new RT-27 , which will cruise in the high 20's to low 30's and is reported to get the same or better fuel burn I do now. Even the 22 CD is to slow for Our life right now. Its all about spending more time on the boat , whether its fishing or hanging on the hook , and less time running. We love our 27 because we can run at the same level of comfort at 28 mph as a 22 does at 18 mph. Its about the same ride. And its a better ride then the 25's I have been on at 22 -24 mph. Point is that we have a limited amount of time to spend on the water and some times I have to cut it short and head back. If we are on the west side of the SJ's that extra speed can gain us 2 to 4 hours or extra boating time over travel time. I no longer see boating and travel on a boat as equal.
So when we do have the time to go to alaska in the 27 I am not sure that I will take the 27. I just might buy a bigger boat with more comfort for the summer and sell when I get back. Yes its a long term plan. I would have to have a whole 6 month to travel the way I want but that is the point. I want to take my time and be more comfortable. I want to tow or launch a small boat for fishing while leaving the travel boat and Susan on the hook. WE have been looking in to doing just this in a few years WITHOUT SELLING THE 27. We dont want to wait until retirement to do this trip and will need the 27 when we get back. We can do all this for a lot less money then buying the RT-27 outboard . But damm that is a nice boat.
So I quest the point is that even thought I have the same needs those needs our defined by time. If we only can manage one or tow months for our Alaska trip then its the current 27 ( unless everyone of you buys a house from me this year) . but if we have more time its going to be a used 31 camano troll or Grand banks 42 for the year or so.
Well its off to craiglist to find a 31 CT in alaska.
starcrafttom":2fpqmchr said:
The new Ranger 27 does look like a really REALLY nice boat and I love the speed! One reason I like C-Dories is their front opening center window, as I live in the south, and I love some wind on my face. Rangers don't have this and I think it would make me claustrophobic.
starcrafttom
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ken what they do have is 4 or 6? hatches on the roof that open up and direct air right on top of you. Between that that the large sliding side windows and a glass rear wall the folds up and out of the way I dont see how you could be claustrophobichttp://www.rangertugs.com/Userfiles/Boats/NEW-R-27/Ranger-Tugs-R-27-Outboard2--5-vsm-700--N.jpg
As Tom points out ceiling hatches will send a good breeze thru the boat. We put these in our two large pilot house motorsailers. But, in the South, we have to be careful of the solar effect of the sun/greenhouse heat thru the glass, vs insulated roof. A "shade" with the mylar lined bubble insulation works well beneath these plexiglass hatches.
san juanderer
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All boats are compromises to your present use.
Life changes, then the present use use changes, then the boat changes.
One thing is for sure. Smaller is easier to handle and clean.
C-dory's are easy to handle and clean up. KISS plan.
Life changes, then the present use use changes, then the boat changes.
One thing is for sure. Smaller is easier to handle and clean.
C-dory's are easy to handle and clean up. KISS plan.