Sell, buy, wait

[Dene]

dr. bob makes an excellent point. chartering a used carver, no big deal, chartering my dream boat, and i think the 25' ranger qualities as a dream boat, well that's another question!
i've had numerous people ask to rent the lake home linda and i own. no way. we would end up with cigarette burns on the tables and carpet, beer, whiskey, wine stains all over the place. it may work for some but not my cup of tea.
now, having said that, if i was interested in buying a boat for chartering service, i'd probably be looking at a 30' something and only stock it with the bare essentials. no carpet, little teak if at any, and a huge deposit!
from reading the post on the ranger 25' i have concluded, this might not be a boat that would hold up to the charter trade. i'm probably wrong, and if i am, it certainly isn't the first time.
at any rate, interesting topic.
in the end you need to do what is in your best interest!
keep us informed as to your final decision. what ever it is we will all wish you the best of luck. in fact, maybe a couple of us might work together and charter your boat. anybody interested can count me in.
pat

It really depends on the charter company. How they screen the clients. The inspection they do before and after charters, etc. My Carver had 12 charters so far and only one of them was bad, resulting in stanchion damage. The fleet manager lost his job over it and all repairs were done by the charter company.

The 30 foot boat you described wouldn't charter well. People, typically California boaters, come to the Sound to cruise it in nice, well maintained boats. Consequently, the standards for my charter company are higher than my own and most boaters. I had to purchase some extra luxury items (Windlass) and safety items (Halon fire system) before they would accept it into the fleet.

Finally, I'd love to charter the Ranger to any C-Brat. I'm sure I could arrange it with ABC to acquire a special rate, especially if you wouldn't mind cruising in June or September (the best month of all).

-Greg

 

[Dene]

My father always told me, "Don't ask, don't get".

And he also said, "In a negotiation, whoever says the first number loses."

I asked and they accepted. In response, I've reduced the price of the Carver to a firm 29k.

https://accounts.craigslist.org/post/sh ... 9025&db=lv

We'll see what happens.

-Greg

Link was incorrect. Here is the correct one.

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/boa/827199025.html (boats)

-Greg

 

[thataway]

Greg asked if I had chartered my boats in Florida--no I chartered in Calif. The boat I purchased which had been in charter had been personally owned by the owner of the largest Cal dealer on the East Coast, and was chartered in the Caribbean--Same for my friends' boats-owned by people he knew and taken out of the charter trade after 6 years.

One experience I had was a long term charter. The engine failed. Our charter agreement was that the charterer was responsible for any mechanical damage. The engine was an Atomic 4--basically a 25 hp 4 cyl gas engine, with only two main bearings. The charterer had run it at almost Wide open throtttle for 4 hours, and the bearings failed. I was out of the area, and my father had a written statement from Universal, the builder, that this engine was designed for only intermittant high speed operation., and was not suitable for prolonged higher speeds. The arguement came down to that the charterers were to keep the boat in "seaworthy" condition. They argued that the broken engine did not render the boat un-seaworthy (of course they wouldn't take it out, because the engine was not working). Eventually we split the difference--and I paid for parts, they for labor.

The other experiences were with a new 35 foot boat. The "problems" involved dock rash, the cigarette burn type of things etc...but it was "my boat"--and a personal item--As Pat so well explained, the charter did not take care of my personal property--and I decided that it was not worth the tax write offs, income etc to have the agrivation---again... a personal decision. A shiny new Ranger 25 might seem a lot different than a 28 year old Carver when it comes to what is "acceptable" dings. (At least to me it would--even the Tom Cat vs the C Dory falls in that category--there were some minor items with my Tom Cat after I loaned it to a very close friend to tow his trawler back down the rivers. I probably would not loan it out again, even though it was well taken care of. For me most boats are very personal--like the lake house mentioned.

 

[Dene]

The other experiences were with a new 35 foot boat. The "problems" involved dock rash, the cigarette burn type of things etc...but it was "my boat"--and a personal item--As Pat so well explained, the charter did not take care of my personal property--and I decided that it was not worth the tax write offs, income etc to have the agrivation---again... a personal decision. A shiny new Ranger 25 might seem a lot different than a 28 year old Carver when it comes to what is "acceptable" dings. (At least to me it would--even the Tom Cat vs the C Dory falls in that category--there were some minor items with my Tom Cat after I loaned it to a very close friend to tow his trawler back down the rivers. I probably would not loan it out again, even though it was well taken care of. For me most boats are very personal--like the lake house mentioned.

You're correct, Bob. We're going to be more meticulous about this shiny new boat than we were with the Carver. ABC knows this and have given me assurances they will enforce the same standards. They believe there will be a huge market for it, especially for the desirable mom and pop charterers. If it's abused, we'll simply pull it.


-Greg