Sucky Site Performance
- Thread starter Da Nag
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As a member of both groups, I enjoy the information found on both sites. I also consider many of you friends, C-Brats or C-Dogs.
I was among one of the first 50 members on the original MSN group, and was one of the first 15 members of this group.
When the "trouble" started over some non-boat related scenery photos, on the original site, I stood by the "Grand Poobah" -Dale. After all, he started the group and had set the "ground rules". But then it escalated to members being banned, members that contributed greatly to the group. I thought the heavy handedness of Dale was out of line and let my feelings be known.
Is there a "double standard" here? No, I think not----- but I do find it a bit clickish for the NorthWest area gatherings, with little coverage of gatherings in other parts of the country.
Dale- Even though I doubt you will read this, thanks for starting a group to begin with.
Mike and Greg - You did good on this group. Thanks for being the fun loving BRATS that you are.
Bill- You came in and with your nerdiness gave us all a better presence on the WWW- Thanks ps- you still owe me a latte
Now------ on with the business of owning and enjoying our C-DORYs
I was among one of the first 50 members on the original MSN group, and was one of the first 15 members of this group.
When the "trouble" started over some non-boat related scenery photos, on the original site, I stood by the "Grand Poobah" -Dale. After all, he started the group and had set the "ground rules". But then it escalated to members being banned, members that contributed greatly to the group. I thought the heavy handedness of Dale was out of line and let my feelings be known.
Is there a "double standard" here? No, I think not----- but I do find it a bit clickish for the NorthWest area gatherings, with little coverage of gatherings in other parts of the country.
Dale- Even though I doubt you will read this, thanks for starting a group to begin with.
Mike and Greg - You did good on this group. Thanks for being the fun loving BRATS that you are.
Bill- You came in and with your nerdiness gave us all a better presence on the WWW- Thanks ps- you still owe me a latte
Now------ on with the business of owning and enjoying our C-DORYs
Ken...I took your bait when you inquired about the "poobed" comment, as did Mike. You knew the background, and you knew the history of the term and what it meant. Quite frankly, you posted the question to get a reaction, and you got one.
Of course it is. Did you expect anything less from somebody on the receiving end of Dale's tyrannical actions? Still, while I'll accept that the tone of my notes may be somewhat harsh towards the man, feel free to correct any factual errors I made. I'll gladly retract anything I said that was in error.
As to your "noticing a continuing double standard here, between the C-Brat motto and occasional disparaging remarks", please...being the thorough nerd that I am, I just did a little research.
- Out of over 15,000 posts, the term "poob" or any derivative of it has been used 18 times - 8 of which are in this thread. That's .05% of all posts.
- We've discussed "beer" roughly 45 times as much. Which makes sense; it's a far more interesting subject.
- We've discussed Porta Potty's roughly 15 times as much. While it doesn't surprise me our little plastic friends consume more of our time than the occasional "poob" reference, I'm quite disturbed we only discuss beer 3 times as much as Porta Potty's. That just seems wrong; I was expecting at least a 10 to 1 ratio.
As you can see, I really don't take this issue very seriously. I certainly don't think I have "open and festering" wounds, but if I'm wrong, we have a nurse on staff...
Of course it is. Did you expect anything less from somebody on the receiving end of Dale's tyrannical actions? Still, while I'll accept that the tone of my notes may be somewhat harsh towards the man, feel free to correct any factual errors I made. I'll gladly retract anything I said that was in error.
As to your "noticing a continuing double standard here, between the C-Brat motto and occasional disparaging remarks", please...being the thorough nerd that I am, I just did a little research.
- Out of over 15,000 posts, the term "poob" or any derivative of it has been used 18 times - 8 of which are in this thread. That's .05% of all posts.
- We've discussed "beer" roughly 45 times as much. Which makes sense; it's a far more interesting subject.
- We've discussed Porta Potty's roughly 15 times as much. While it doesn't surprise me our little plastic friends consume more of our time than the occasional "poob" reference, I'm quite disturbed we only discuss beer 3 times as much as Porta Potty's. That just seems wrong; I was expecting at least a 10 to 1 ratio.
As you can see, I really don't take this issue very seriously. I certainly don't think I have "open and festering" wounds, but if I'm wrong, we have a nurse on staff...
Bill -
Speaking of sucky sites, could the amount of traffic be contributing to the performance decline? I mean, two and a quarter million total page hits is quite a few for less than a month and a half.
Sorry about the poor quality stat picture, but this sucky site won't let me paste the table, and I ain't got time to figure out how to get 'er done.
Speaking of sucky sites, could the amount of traffic be contributing to the performance decline? I mean, two and a quarter million total page hits is quite a few for less than a month and a half.
Sorry about the poor quality stat picture, but this sucky site won't let me paste the table, and I ain't got time to figure out how to get 'er done.
Fishtales":2jc97560 said:
Agreed...but it's the members who organize the gatherings, and report back on them. Hopefully, nobody thinks they are being discouraged from doing this in other parts of the country. There just seem to be more folks participating from the Northwest, presumably because there are a higher percentage of C-Dory's sold up there.
The other area of high C-Dory population seems to be CA, but that has historically been C-Dog territory.
So...is there something we can do to better facilitate folks outside the Northwest? We're nothing if not accomodating here...
Just turn Brydman loose on 'em. He gets things organized and publicized!
We are watching the Eastern Shore, Maryland talk. They are real close to settling on a date. We always prefer to be asked or reminded about the signup list and announcement. If we take the decision on ourselves, who knows where you'll end up or when you'll get back. A good bop up alongside the head doesn't hurt much, either.
Oh, and now it looks like Bill wants you to include info on how much beer and how many Porta-Potties you'll have along.
You're right, Bill. And I certainly got a reaction. But please believe me, my motives were good. Dale is still a friend of mine, and I just don't like folks having fun at his expense, irrespective of how indefensible his actions were two years ago.
But, as you point out, that's (relatively) minor, in the whole scheme of things.
Just so folks have some understanding of where I stand in the whole scheme of things, I posted the following on the C-DOG site on 11/01/2003, and I meant it:
Hi, Everyone,
I'd like to be the first of the C-DOGs to congratulate Tyboo Mike, Red Fox Greg, Da Nag Bill, and the rest of their staff, on the launching of their totally new C-Brat web-site.
I invite you to visit them HERE, and extend to them your congratulations, as well.
This new site will, undoubtedly, serve to enhance the experience of all C-Dory owners and wannabees.
Tyboo's official announcement of the new site can be accessed HERE.
Please join me in wishing them success in this new venture.
Ken
But, as you point out, that's (relatively) minor, in the whole scheme of things.
Just so folks have some understanding of where I stand in the whole scheme of things, I posted the following on the C-DOG site on 11/01/2003, and I meant it:
Hi, Everyone,
I'd like to be the first of the C-DOGs to congratulate Tyboo Mike, Red Fox Greg, Da Nag Bill, and the rest of their staff, on the launching of their totally new C-Brat web-site.
I invite you to visit them HERE, and extend to them your congratulations, as well.
This new site will, undoubtedly, serve to enhance the experience of all C-Dory owners and wannabees.
Tyboo's official announcement of the new site can be accessed HERE.
Please join me in wishing them success in this new venture.
Ken
Let me start out by saying I've been viewing this site regularly since its inception. I also have visited the other site that's out there and find them both to be full of nice people and some wonderful information.
I'm relatively new to C-Dory's but I've been on a couple and I find them to be Great Boats. I may eventually end up getting one. I'm thinking maybe a 25'er but I figure that's a long ways out for me.
Now to the point. I've been floating around these web sites and witnessed what went on way back when.
Now if I were to have a problem with the term 'poobed' then I may start a post simply asking if we "could refrain from using this term as it may alienate certain members of our community" then put it to a vote.
However I wouldn't do this as I feel anyone willing to go along with being called "Grand Poobah" is entitled to every single bit of razzing they will receive for it. The use of Poobed, as I see it, seems fitting given the events. I also find it funny.
Now to put this in perspective. Having turned this thread from a statement of the speed of the web site into your personal problem with the administrator(s) how would you feel if all your posts were deleted from here and your access was revoked by some guy called "The Supreme Allied Commander of Bratedness" Then, say, that same person went on to almost completely destroy the community of people through his actions.
Now as I see it, while using the term Poobed is a slight on your friend, it is also recognition. Because without the Grand Poobah's tyrannous actions this site might not be around. So In retrospect I think the term should be used here to remind those who know of the origins of such a great site.
My wife is outta town, My 9 month old has a cold and is teething, my job has slowed down and my state has the highest unemployment in the country, I got buddies in Iraq and Afghanistan, There's hundreds of thousands dead in and around the Indian ocean. AND *gasp* They said POOBED.
OK I see your point. I guess my priorities must be a little outta whack.
Can we all just go back to boat tips, meetings, beers, stories and jokes (since I think this one's played out) and forget about these petty things.
Ken it really looks like you were baiting these nice people into an argument in "their house" and that's rude. At very least you can take solice in that they seem agreeable to allowing you your opinion without repercussion.
Hope my post doesn't get poobed. I know It's not entirely nice but wasn't trying to be mean. I just find the issue funny with how seriously it is taken. I know my Ma sure takes her forums serious too. Maybe I just don't get it.
~PHrEEK
I'm relatively new to C-Dory's but I've been on a couple and I find them to be Great Boats. I may eventually end up getting one. I'm thinking maybe a 25'er but I figure that's a long ways out for me.
Now to the point. I've been floating around these web sites and witnessed what went on way back when.
KenMcC, I'm not sure why after so long you feel the need to bring this up. Especially in such an insidious manner. It seems like you are trying to bait the administrators of this site into defending their actions. What's funny is that nobody asked your opinion of the term 'poobed' yet you feigned ignorance only as a vehicle to express your dislike for it almost trying to make yourself a victim here.
Now if I were to have a problem with the term 'poobed' then I may start a post simply asking if we "could refrain from using this term as it may alienate certain members of our community" then put it to a vote.
However I wouldn't do this as I feel anyone willing to go along with being called "Grand Poobah" is entitled to every single bit of razzing they will receive for it. The use of Poobed, as I see it, seems fitting given the events. I also find it funny.
Now to put this in perspective. Having turned this thread from a statement of the speed of the web site into your personal problem with the administrator(s) how would you feel if all your posts were deleted from here and your access was revoked by some guy called "The Supreme Allied Commander of Bratedness" Then, say, that same person went on to almost completely destroy the community of people through his actions.
Now as I see it, while using the term Poobed is a slight on your friend, it is also recognition. Because without the Grand Poobah's tyrannous actions this site might not be around. So In retrospect I think the term should be used here to remind those who know of the origins of such a great site.
You say the riff was an unpleasant time. Well that's understandable. I know how much other people's issues on these darn internet forums affect me in my life. I mean you're on here and you're upset with TyBoo and Da Nag for insulting Poobah and they are almost picking on you, It's just been driving me crazy all day. I can't get any work done and you know I'm not sure if I'll be able to sleep tonight. It's creating a most unpleasant time in my life right now.
My wife is outta town, My 9 month old has a cold and is teething, my job has slowed down and my state has the highest unemployment in the country, I got buddies in Iraq and Afghanistan, There's hundreds of thousands dead in and around the Indian ocean. AND *gasp* They said POOBED.
OK I see your point. I guess my priorities must be a little outta whack.
Can we all just go back to boat tips, meetings, beers, stories and jokes (since I think this one's played out) and forget about these petty things.
Ken it really looks like you were baiting these nice people into an argument in "their house" and that's rude. At very least you can take solice in that they seem agreeable to allowing you your opinion without repercussion.
Hope my post doesn't get poobed. I know It's not entirely nice but wasn't trying to be mean. I just find the issue funny with how seriously it is taken. I know my Ma sure takes her forums serious too. Maybe I just don't get it.
~PHrEEK
Anita Marie
New member
Ahmen brother!!
Very well stated, WPHrEEK,
And some very good advice, as well.
What is missing here is the fact that for the past two years, I have been requesting that the ridiculing of Dale be discontinued, in the interests of moving forward.
What I was hoping for, was, at least privately amongst the earliest C-Brats, something like "OK guys, we've gotten our digs in, but let's move on".
Two years later, no such choice has been made on Admin's part.
And understandably so. They were hurt. But so was Dale. They absolutely refused to comply with Dale's request for discipline and organization on HIS website, and argued that he had no right to control their actions on a so called "public" forum.
Dale built one heckuva great website, based primarily on three things: A tremendous love for C-Dorys, a really well thought out and forward-thinking format, and a strong discipline to maintain that format, for the benefit of all future users. (And when Greg, Mike, and Bill went off on their own, that format was copied almost precisely).
Each time that Dale requested that the original Brats comply with the basic rules of his (privately managed) website, they thumbed their noses at him, made jokes and originated the "poobed" word by capitalizing on Dale's lighthearted "Grand Poobah" designation.
But that (understandably) is not included in any of the accounts of this debacle.
Once the BRATS (and I emphasize that word, because they chose it very deliberately) spun off, they ultimately got banned, for various reasons, all of which stemmed from them thumbing their noses at Dale, and deciding that he didn't have the right to run his website the way he wanted.
(Hence, the Policy Statement on my current C-DOG site).
The Brats started their site up, and I joined it, only to see the beginnings of Greg, Bill, Tyboo, and others have their little jokes at Dale's expense. It bothered me, and I let Admin. know, to no avail.
I had a conversation with Dale, and told him of some of the
unpleasant comments that were being joked about on the Brat site. He was deeply hurt, stated that he was just plain tired of this crap, and ultimatelyh pulled the plug on the C-DOG site.
At first, I was comfortable with having the C-Brats as my place for all my C-Dory interests, but when they continued to ridicule Dale, I chose to go off on my own.
Many folks were hurt by Dale's actions. Dale was equally hurt by folks who (seemed) to have no respect for the conventions that he set up on, what was at that time, the most visited boating website on MSN.
There are two sides to this story, and I'm 50% on Dale's side, and 45% on Admin's side. I'm saving that last 5% for when Admin can move on, and quit the insidious slams against Dale.
Thanks for your comments.....They were very well thought out, and very well stated.
Ken
And some very good advice, as well.
What is missing here is the fact that for the past two years, I have been requesting that the ridiculing of Dale be discontinued, in the interests of moving forward.
What I was hoping for, was, at least privately amongst the earliest C-Brats, something like "OK guys, we've gotten our digs in, but let's move on".
Two years later, no such choice has been made on Admin's part.
And understandably so. They were hurt. But so was Dale. They absolutely refused to comply with Dale's request for discipline and organization on HIS website, and argued that he had no right to control their actions on a so called "public" forum.
Dale built one heckuva great website, based primarily on three things: A tremendous love for C-Dorys, a really well thought out and forward-thinking format, and a strong discipline to maintain that format, for the benefit of all future users. (And when Greg, Mike, and Bill went off on their own, that format was copied almost precisely).
Each time that Dale requested that the original Brats comply with the basic rules of his (privately managed) website, they thumbed their noses at him, made jokes and originated the "poobed" word by capitalizing on Dale's lighthearted "Grand Poobah" designation.
But that (understandably) is not included in any of the accounts of this debacle.
Once the BRATS (and I emphasize that word, because they chose it very deliberately) spun off, they ultimately got banned, for various reasons, all of which stemmed from them thumbing their noses at Dale, and deciding that he didn't have the right to run his website the way he wanted.
(Hence, the Policy Statement on my current C-DOG site).
The Brats started their site up, and I joined it, only to see the beginnings of Greg, Bill, Tyboo, and others have their little jokes at Dale's expense. It bothered me, and I let Admin. know, to no avail.
I had a conversation with Dale, and told him of some of the
unpleasant comments that were being joked about on the Brat site. He was deeply hurt, stated that he was just plain tired of this crap, and ultimatelyh pulled the plug on the C-DOG site.
At first, I was comfortable with having the C-Brats as my place for all my C-Dory interests, but when they continued to ridicule Dale, I chose to go off on my own.
Many folks were hurt by Dale's actions. Dale was equally hurt by folks who (seemed) to have no respect for the conventions that he set up on, what was at that time, the most visited boating website on MSN.
There are two sides to this story, and I'm 50% on Dale's side, and 45% on Admin's side. I'm saving that last 5% for when Admin can move on, and quit the insidious slams against Dale.
Thanks for your comments.....They were very well thought out, and very well stated.
Ken
Anita Marie
New member
Ok enough already, it is over, done, we have all moved on. I love my C-Dory, I love the folks hear. I am sorry the way things worked out but considering the way people were treated by Dale it is amazing how very little it is ever talked about but it is over. I can't believe we are still talking about it. :shock:
Molly Brown
Member
Some weather we're having, Uh?
Pat Anderson
New member
Your post may do it! But a private message to DaNag or Tyboo is the best way to communicate with the administrators aka Da Nerds.
Billy":22ivmq0z said:
Mighty Bite
New member
Nicely summed up `PHrEEK.
Ken, for every action there is a reaction. Dale took an aggressive action that simply triggered, and in fact, invited an obviously predictible and totally justifiable reaction. There is simply no surprise here, and by the same token there shouldn't be any sensitivity training or accomodative adjustments to be made by anyone impacted by Dale's actions. End of story. Give it a break. Move on!
What absolutely astounds me is tht this subject matter is still around and that anyone, especially me, is spending any time addressing it.
Ken, for every action there is a reaction. Dale took an aggressive action that simply triggered, and in fact, invited an obviously predictible and totally justifiable reaction. There is simply no surprise here, and by the same token there shouldn't be any sensitivity training or accomodative adjustments to be made by anyone impacted by Dale's actions. End of story. Give it a break. Move on!
What absolutely astounds me is tht this subject matter is still around and that anyone, especially me, is spending any time addressing it.