This has all been pretty interesting. Thanks for pictures pete. That makes things pretty clear. I actually like the look. Can't comment on the functionality as I haven't tried to use it, don't have a 22 or 25, but will have in the next couple years so this has been valuable. I really think they have done a good job with the interior. The table leg, that is another story. Pretty obvious that wasn't going to fly. They took a standard from the RV industry on that one. But that will get remedied soon enough. I think it looks pretty nice.
The good and the oh-so bad.
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Looking at the photos, I come up with much the same reaction as most of you.
It actually looks much better aesthetically overall than I expected. The modern white molded fiberglass is bright and functional, and with sufficient teak wood trim and such tricks as recessing the doors, using louvers, edging trim, etc., can be dressy and appealing.
Like others, I think the starboard side is fine, but the port has to be changed somehow. Bring back a sliding front, full sized, reversible seat instead of the fixed smaller one. Then bring back the larger, "full sized" table and afix it sturdily.
The cockpit changes- the larger step and molded tray- look fine, but running new wiring or customizing the storage tray with dividers will be harder. Still like the older, rounded, direct walk on the hull floor, but that's a personal preference, and most folks will never know the difference.
See Ya' in Seattle!
Joe.
It actually looks much better aesthetically overall than I expected. The modern white molded fiberglass is bright and functional, and with sufficient teak wood trim and such tricks as recessing the doors, using louvers, edging trim, etc., can be dressy and appealing.
Like others, I think the starboard side is fine, but the port has to be changed somehow. Bring back a sliding front, full sized, reversible seat instead of the fixed smaller one. Then bring back the larger, "full sized" table and afix it sturdily.
The cockpit changes- the larger step and molded tray- look fine, but running new wiring or customizing the storage tray with dividers will be harder. Still like the older, rounded, direct walk on the hull floor, but that's a personal preference, and most folks will never know the difference.
See Ya' in Seattle!
Joe.
lloyds":17vycvui said:
We have that type of table leg/mount on our 25, and it is rock solid (but also attached to the hull at the back of the table); seems much sturdier than the square leg with the latch that was on previous models. I could dance on that table... but Joan doesn't let me do that anymore. Reminds me of when we met in that strip club... she was putting a dollar bill in my g-string... that wasn't so bad, but then she reached in to get change... well, nevermind, that has almost nothing to do with this thread.
I still like Wild Blue's interior, but don't see anything with the molded stuff that would chase me away as a potential buyer. It could be worse - I've seen boats that had nasty raw fiberglass behind those deck liners... slice you like a razor. This all looks to be well-done, and will only get better with some input and usage. It will be interesting to see how it plays out at the SBS gathering.
Best wishes,
Jim B. (and no, Tom, you can't borrow my Zorro outfit for your 3 year delayed honeymoon
)I thought we could all use a bit of levity at this point
starcrafttom
Active member
but I like sword play....
JamesTXSD":wx87x25t said:
Ugh...the day C-Dory starts marketing to the Yuppies, is the day I start drinking heavily. Well...more heavily.
Given the number of hippies and ex-hippies in this crowd, I think they should use crushed velvet (purple) for the liner, black lights, hemp upholstery, and a nice bead doorway into the v-berth.
Heck...that might even get Brock to upgrade.
I posted some photos of the new cd25 and cd22 molded interiors under construction. I like the new enclosed gunwales even though they are smaller and I couldn't put fenders in them. Our 25 has the open gunwale storage and it's always bugged me that insects and rodents would have access to the bilge and into the cabin behind the head.
Here is the link:
http://www.c-brats.com/modules.php?set_ ... _album.php
Scroll down to the bottom of the page.
Don
Here is the link:
http://www.c-brats.com/modules.php?set_ ... _album.php
Scroll down to the bottom of the page.
Don
My other 2 cents: now I've invested 4 cents.
After looking at the newest pictures, the boats seem to have a clean look. I personally am not so very disappointed. I am certainly not envious of any new improvements. I am happy with my boat, a 2004. If I was a new purchaser, I would not be turned off by the new C-Dory interior but .....
As an owner, I can see things that I personally would not want. I like the looks of an all glass door, but I would NOT want one. I like the field of view, but no screened window in the door (which some of us have now :wink ) Anyway, glass to the floor? I KNOW I'd break the glass. No doubt about it. Don't want it. Do not envy those of you that do.
I do not have a sliding/face forward seat. A very nice option. I wish I had one, but I don't and do not intend to make one. So I will be a little envious of those of you that do. But it seems that the forward seat now does not slide and table space is smaller. I would rather have what I have that this new improvement. No envy here.
I still have my wonderful ice box. Quit laughing. :crook Since I insulated it, it works for me. If I did not have one, I would have built shelves behind a door. The new one has a door. Its a wash. No envy, no regrets.
I do not like the lack of storage space beneath the port seats and the foot area under the table. I do not like the gunnel treatment, although is IS CLEAN LOOKING. Very nice. I have removable floorboards, now they are built in. Pretty nice. No envy.
All in all, I think the factory tried to create and compete using fiberglass. I think it looks nice. Not actually seeing one for real, I still reserve a final opinion. I will need to get behind the cabinets and see how wire are run, how easy to get to, and how easy to customize to my liking. But it certainly does not look like a Bayliner.
John
Swee Pea
After looking at the newest pictures, the boats seem to have a clean look. I personally am not so very disappointed. I am certainly not envious of any new improvements. I am happy with my boat, a 2004. If I was a new purchaser, I would not be turned off by the new C-Dory interior but .....
As an owner, I can see things that I personally would not want. I like the looks of an all glass door, but I would NOT want one. I like the field of view, but no screened window in the door (which some of us have now :wink ) Anyway, glass to the floor? I KNOW I'd break the glass. No doubt about it. Don't want it. Do not envy those of you that do.
I do not have a sliding/face forward seat. A very nice option. I wish I had one, but I don't and do not intend to make one. So I will be a little envious of those of you that do. But it seems that the forward seat now does not slide and table space is smaller. I would rather have what I have that this new improvement. No envy here.
I still have my wonderful ice box. Quit laughing. :crook Since I insulated it, it works for me. If I did not have one, I would have built shelves behind a door. The new one has a door. Its a wash. No envy, no regrets.
I do not like the lack of storage space beneath the port seats and the foot area under the table. I do not like the gunnel treatment, although is IS CLEAN LOOKING. Very nice. I have removable floorboards, now they are built in. Pretty nice. No envy.
All in all, I think the factory tried to create and compete using fiberglass. I think it looks nice. Not actually seeing one for real, I still reserve a final opinion. I will need to get behind the cabinets and see how wire are run, how easy to get to, and how easy to customize to my liking. But it certainly does not look like a Bayliner.
John
Swee Pea
This has been an interesting thread.
My opinion does not matter, none the less I will give it in two weeks, after I have examined the boat in person.
I just hope C-Dory will offer a version that has nothing inside, so those that do not like the molded interior can have a custom interior built or do it themselves. Then you would have a win win situation here.
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Dave
My opinion does not matter, none the less I will give it in two weeks, after I have examined the boat in person.
I just hope C-Dory will offer a version that has nothing inside, so those that do not like the molded interior can have a custom interior built or do it themselves. Then you would have a win win situation here.
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Dave
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A Picture is Worth A Thousand Words
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This thread could have been limited to a few pages if the FactoryGuy would have taken this subject out of the hands of speculation and put it into the hands of reality. I am as guiltily as any when it comes to protecting what I have come to love about my boat. Change for the sake of change never sets well with me.
I don't find anything about the new design that jumps out and begs to the redesigned with the exception of the Port side table/seating and that silly exposed routing of the water line...can't we just mold in a cover port for it under the doorway? While your at it...forget the foot pump and give us the pressure demand pump we are going to put in anyway.
The teak trim was what I thought we were losing...a picture would have solved the problem for me right off the bat. Can someone provide the FactoryGuy with a digital camera and suggest they use their web site to their advanage, by keeping it up to date.
A Picture is Worth A Thousand Words
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This thread could have been limited to a few pages if the FactoryGuy would have taken this subject out of the hands of speculation and put it into the hands of reality. I am as guiltily as any when it comes to protecting what I have come to love about my boat. Change for the sake of change never sets well with me.
I don't find anything about the new design that jumps out and begs to the redesigned with the exception of the Port side table/seating and that silly exposed routing of the water line...can't we just mold in a cover port for it under the doorway? While your at it...forget the foot pump and give us the pressure demand pump we are going to put in anyway.
The teak trim was what I thought we were losing...a picture would have solved the problem for me right off the bat. Can someone provide the FactoryGuy with a digital camera and suggest they use their web site to their advanage, by keeping it up to date.
Lynn Marie
New member
Thanks to all for the photos. While I will miss the blank canvas of the older boats I will say that from the pics posted the factory guys have done an outstanding job with the tooling of these changes. The mold making work does really allow for some innovating locker door design that would not have been possible several years ago while still allowing the part to come out of the mold. I'm impressed and will look forward to having the chance to see the inside of one of these new interior designs.
All that being said I do not recall a single post in this thread that even comes close to speaking of a change to the hull or exterior house configuration. All cannot be lost.
Tim
All that being said I do not recall a single post in this thread that even comes close to speaking of a change to the hull or exterior house configuration. All cannot be lost.
Tim
Mike – I could not agree with you more. Their site is probably four years old or more with the exception of some very minor up-dates. It should be redone (for one thing it is too dark) and then kept up up to date with new photos on a regular basis. It would not hurt to have a page for new ideas or proposed changes to the design, for feedback from the users.WhalerGoFar":3ktfc855 said:
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Dave
Another few cents:
Close examination of the interior cabin photos shows the foward facing seat arraignment does slide
.. now I'm envious. I think as soon as a few of yall get your hands on the new 22' and really examine her, your input will be heard at the factory and it will one more step in the evolution of a great boat.
See Ya
John
Swee Pea
Close examination of the interior cabin photos shows the foward facing seat arraignment does slide
.. now I'm envious. I think as soon as a few of yall get your hands on the new 22' and really examine her, your input will be heard at the factory and it will one more step in the evolution of a great boat.See Ya
John
Swee Pea
John-
The latest revised revision pictured in the photos posted by Les does slide, but the first molded interior which revised the traditional Decragard interior was fixed. The table size has also been re-enlarged, too, if I'm not too confused!
Which shell is the pea under, eh?
Joe.
The latest revised revision pictured in the photos posted by Les does slide, but the first molded interior which revised the traditional Decragard interior was fixed. The table size has also been re-enlarged, too, if I'm not too confused!
Which shell is the pea under, eh?
Joe.
OK< now time for someone who is about as far out of the loop as a guy could be...
I really like the inset doors... that'll prevent alot of accidental 'hookups' on straps, clothes, nets, etc..
They ought to do the table the way it is on the TomCats and I guess the 25's, with two sliding wall hinge things and the post way inside, toward the aisle. As Jim says, you can 'dance on that table setup'.
I can see why the 22 apparently does not have enough fore/aft room under that table without the sliding 'barber chair' setup, although reference has been made to problems in losing some storage access with that mod.
Roger and I were talking, while on the TomCat, about "what if" you sawed a big opening on that port side bulkhead between the fore bunk and the dinetted seat on a 22. On the TomCat, that opening makes you feel like you're in on whatever's happening in the cabin and it is very easy to get in and out of , as well as aiding in accessing underbunk storage and making the bed.
Have any of you 22 foot guys investigated opening that up?
Compared to the decraguard cabinets on the TomCat, and I think the other C-Dories, there is less room at the bottom of that cabinet with the finished inside. However, I have already had to dig way down and deep to recover items that have slid to the far 'netherparts' of the junction between the hull, the cabinet and the floor. It seems like a nice thing to not have to worry about things getting way down into those crevices.
I like the way they trimmed the table corners, yet bonded the teak trim on the cut, leaving a cleanout, lipless area.
In the cockpit, one could unscrew those sidepocket liners, cut a hole in a place or two, then put them back in and use side or bottom openings with mesh or bag for storage.
Also, I like the raised cockpit floor with the bilge collection aft.
John
I really like the inset doors... that'll prevent alot of accidental 'hookups' on straps, clothes, nets, etc..
They ought to do the table the way it is on the TomCats and I guess the 25's, with two sliding wall hinge things and the post way inside, toward the aisle. As Jim says, you can 'dance on that table setup'.
I can see why the 22 apparently does not have enough fore/aft room under that table without the sliding 'barber chair' setup, although reference has been made to problems in losing some storage access with that mod.
Roger and I were talking, while on the TomCat, about "what if" you sawed a big opening on that port side bulkhead between the fore bunk and the dinetted seat on a 22. On the TomCat, that opening makes you feel like you're in on whatever's happening in the cabin and it is very easy to get in and out of , as well as aiding in accessing underbunk storage and making the bed.
Have any of you 22 foot guys investigated opening that up?
Compared to the decraguard cabinets on the TomCat, and I think the other C-Dories, there is less room at the bottom of that cabinet with the finished inside. However, I have already had to dig way down and deep to recover items that have slid to the far 'netherparts' of the junction between the hull, the cabinet and the floor. It seems like a nice thing to not have to worry about things getting way down into those crevices.
I like the way they trimmed the table corners, yet bonded the teak trim on the cut, leaving a cleanout, lipless area.
In the cockpit, one could unscrew those sidepocket liners, cut a hole in a place or two, then put them back in and use side or bottom openings with mesh or bag for storage.
Also, I like the raised cockpit floor with the bilge collection aft.
John
Sea Wolf:
How right you are. The new version does slide. I didn't realize that the new photos showing the sliding forward seat was a different boat. I'm not too sharp these days. I think this does show that the Factory is on the right track and with a little time and "tweeking", the new interior will be fine. :lol:
John
Swee Pea
How right you are. The new version does slide. I didn't realize that the new photos showing the sliding forward seat was a different boat. I'm not too sharp these days. I think this does show that the Factory is on the right track and with a little time and "tweeking", the new interior will be fine. :lol:
John
Swee Pea
We went to the portland boat show sunday and the c-dory exhibit was the first stop. The new interior was okay, at least for us. Nicely done. Again, the table wasn't right but even the dealer made comments about not to worry about it as it was being re-worked. Truly a nice looking boat. I really like the finished look of the cockpit. I really get weary of water and blood sloshing around on the floor of our 16'. Well, water anyway.
I like WhalerGoFar thought the teak was gone, but now that I saw the pictures like it.... it looks clean and very much like it fits the boat, if it is better for the factory to manufacture I think that is good too.... I can live with it.... I LOVE the forward facing seat...one of the few things I really wish my boat had...
Not sure about getting away from the slimplicity of the foot pump... it indeed would be nice to have a pressure pump.... but not a necessity. I get along quite well with simple. The more I use my boat the more I follow the advise of Bill and El.....K.I.S.S.
Joel
SEA3PO
Not sure about getting away from the slimplicity of the foot pump... it indeed would be nice to have a pressure pump.... but not a necessity. I get along quite well with simple. The more I use my boat the more I follow the advise of Bill and El.....K.I.S.S.
Joel
SEA3PO
Joel-
My old "87 Cruiser has an electric pump (Original Equipment from the Manufacturer) on the sink.
It's nice, but I think a person uses about 2-3 times the water when rinsing dishes, washing hands, etc., as compared to the footpump.
The problem is the electric switch causes a full, uncontrolled flow of water through the faucet, which doesn't have a volume control.
It would be better when coupled with an RV style on-demand pressure pump and a faucet with an adjustable valve.
Reinventing the water wheel in Redding......
Joe.
My old "87 Cruiser has an electric pump (Original Equipment from the Manufacturer) on the sink.
It's nice, but I think a person uses about 2-3 times the water when rinsing dishes, washing hands, etc., as compared to the footpump.
The problem is the electric switch causes a full, uncontrolled flow of water through the faucet, which doesn't have a volume control.
It would be better when coupled with an RV style on-demand pressure pump and a faucet with an adjustable valve.
Reinventing the water wheel in Redding......
Joe.