The Shape of Things to Come?

Pat Anderson

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This is right down Greg Lang's alley! A boat with thin solar panels generating 3,000 watts that charge batteries driving two Torqueedo drive units of 6 hp each, and move a displacement boat at the same speed as a 60 hp outboard!

Blog here!

This boat is totally solar electric.

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I think this is pretty cool, even if it is limited to displacement speed. No worry about finding fuel, no worry about range, just quiet economical cruising!

Sorry about the small images, the full size images were wider than C-Brats can deal with, and I don't know how to resize images on a Chromebook or in pHp code!

 
That is great and I have thought of adding such a system to our someday livaboard trawler. It would not be the only power but I think it would be fun to start out many morning with some slow electric cruising using up any surplus power from the previous charge.... Like a hybrid without integration complexity. We will have to see what the options look like when the time comes.

Greg
 
Nancy and Bud":n7sy78eo said:
Just wondering, if you are in the PNW and have overcast conditions for several days in a row.............................

Probably not a problem, at least according to this site. This is about residential solar but the principles would be the same.
 
Not entirely convinced but I don't know enough to know.

The fact that solar is installed in a lot of places doesn't mean they all are 100% solar, like this boat will be.

The article does talk about the tremendous tax giveaway to subsidize solar. Much like ethanol and farmers.

"By Washington State making solar electricity worth three to four times that of what you pay for your electricity, a solar energy system that offsets 1/3rd of your annual electric consumption will actually offset your “entire” annual electric bill! "

"Take advantage of the wonderful made-in-Washington incentives. The State of Washington, in an effort to promote renewable electricity generation, is purchasing solar generation at $.15/kWh until July 2020. If the inverter is manufactured in Washington state the $.15 is boosted to $.18/kWh. Solar modules made in WA earn $.36/kWh and if both models and inverter are made in WA you earn $.54/kWh. "

Of course, the article is written by people who are selling solar panels etc so they might have a built in bias?????

Most of the reading I have done regarding solar on boats indicates that shadows greatly reduce the effectiveness of power generation. Perhaps the new thin film panels have found a way to overcome that?

Looking forward to hearing more. Technology is moving forward at a faster and faster rate.

But I still wonder, when your self driving car runs into another vehicle, who gets the ticket?

:D
 
Having seen your posts about getting your laptop PC set up to run CE and your delight in the success, I thought for sure when I saw the title of this thread you were finally admitting that MS Windows is your new best friend and the way of the future.

What's the matter? Doesn't Ubunko work on the boat?
 
Hi Brats!

Mobile East is installing two, 100 watt, thin, flexible, solar panels on the roof of our new 25, Valkyrie II. We're hoping that this should be enough to keep the batteries topped-off so we can run the refrigerator.

We'll find out in FL next winter!

Regards,

Nick and Marcia
"Valkyrie II"
 
Valkyrie":2pkym7on said:
Hi Brats!

Mobile East is installing two, 100 watt, thin, flexible, solar panels on the roof of our new 25, Valkyrie II. We're hoping that this should be enough to keep the batteries topped-off so we can run the refrigerator.

We'll find out in FL next winter!

Regards,

Nick and Marcia
"Valkyrie II"

Hi Nick. Congrats on the new Valkyrie II. Can you give us any more specifics on those panels please?

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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TyBoo":krctdr8m said:
Having seen your posts about getting your laptop PC set up to run CE and your delight in the success, I thought for sure when I saw the title of this thread you were finally admitting that MS Windows is your new best friend and the way of the future.

What's the matter? Doesn't Ubunko work on the boat?

Neither OSX nor "Ubunko" can run Coastal Explorer! Windows is NOT my new best friend, it is a bad old friend, and I am holding my breath and keeping my fingers and eyes crossed that I can keep Windoze running through my Great Loop adventure. Cindie Lang tells me, and I believe her, is that the key is NOT to have it connected to the internet for Hell or high water, and that is my plan!

I actually have OpenCPN on my MacBook, and the next plan is to see if I can sneak it into the system in place of the Windoze computer as a sort of failsafe!
 
Valkyrie":29x69e4l said:
Hi Brats!

Mobile East is installing two, 100 watt, thin, flexible, solar panels on the roof of our new 25, Valkyrie II. We're hoping that this should be enough to keep the batteries topped-off so we can run the refrigerator.

We'll find out in FL next winter!

Regards,

Nick and Marcia
"Valkyrie II"

Nick, what brand are your thin flexible panels? I might be induced to switch out the big heavy panels I now have!
 
We have two of the Renogy 100W flexable solar panels on the roof of Discovery. They are dedicated to the port battery bank, three group 27 deep cycle batteries. The port bank supplies power to the Norcold ref, and to the Waeco fridge/freezer.

The panels are the same as the recalled Renogy flexable panels, but were manufactured before the recall dates. The recalled panels were overheating and posed a fire hazard. We have used the panels and fridge and fridge/freezer set-up for up to 75 days on the water, without the batteries ever being drawn down low enough to be a concern. The port batteries are also charged by the port engine-Honda 135 HP.

There are a number of 100W flexable panels being marketed on places like eBay for around $150 each. Do a Google search for 100W flexable solar panels. All come from China, and look like the Renogy type of product.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/120-Watt-12...d=100338&rk=5&rkt=30&mehot=pp&sd=161669212758

52" x 22" and 120W you could put two on the top of a CD 25' or TomCat.
 
It seems there is a never-ending list of "would-likes!

Nick, please post some photos when your flexible solar panels are installed and Valkyrie is back home!
 
In case anyone is interested, I've been using a pair of the lightweight (formerly called "flexible" until they found out that wasn't such a good idea) 100-watt panels for about 1.5 years now. These have provided 100% of my power needs for all this time (RV). They are Grape brand, although I don't think Grape has any of these panels available now.

I originally bought these for the C-Dory, but before I mounted them, I decided to try them out as "ground panels" with my RV. This was for a few reasons: I wanted to see how they would fare, since they are not known for being super long lasting; I wanted to get an idea of how much wattage would be good for my uses (both on boat and RV). So I set up a system with the two panels set out in series (I prop them up slightly to both support them and let them get cooling air underneath); a length of 8AWG cable to the controller (so I could get them at least 25' away without a huge voltage drop penalty -- this is an RV thing so I could park in the shade but put panels in the sun); a Sunsaver 15 MPPT controller, a foot of 2AWG cable, and then my AGM battery bank. I have both a Victron amp counter type meter plus a Smart Gauge, and also a remote display for the Sunsaver -- so I can keep pretty good track of how things are going.

I'm fairly "low maintenance" when it comes to loads. My biggest/constant draw is a Dometic CF-50 portable refrigerator. That draws about 3-1/2 amps when running, and it has been using between ~15-30 amp hours per day depending on ambient temps (have been in some really hot weather at times). My other draws are laptop, phone, and AA battery charging, LED lights, and a few other minor items. I had figured on 48 amp hours per 14 hour day, but have been using less than that in actual use. It varies of course, but perhaps you could say around 30-35 amp hours on average.

For this amount of usage I haven't had any problems keeping my battery bank charged. Most days see it back up to 100% while still leaving me some "free sun" with which to charge things or do whatever. I probably haven't had more than three or so cloudy days (or days when the panels weren't out at all due to some other factor), and I have almost always still been able to get up to 100% on the next sunny day. I think one time it took part of the next day (i.e. the sun set and the batteries were not up to 100%).

Of course this wouldn't be the same if I were someplace like the Inside Passage with mostly cloudy days. But perhaps it gives some useful info.

On the lightweight/"flexible" panels themselves. I wouldn't buy them unless I "had to." I knew that going in though. The reason I say that is that I really baby them (carefully support them when out in the sun, provide ventilation for the underside when in use, clean them with lots of water so as to avoid scratching, and put them back in their boxes for transport) and they are still looking a lot more "worn" than traditional panels would be. They do still both work*, but there is some cupping of the plastic on top of the cells, and one of them has some pits through the top plastic layer. I wouldn't expect them to last the 20 years of traditional (glass/aluminum) panels.

On the other hand, they are less than 1/4" thick and weigh three pounds apiece. For taking in and out of the RV as ground panels (and storing them upright behind the driver's seat), they are unbeatable.

I always did intend to put traditional panels on the RV roof, and I won't change that plan. Although 200 watts is fine for my use, I don't want to just have ground panels. Reason is that they can't be in use when I'm driving, nor at certain overnight stops (Walmart, etc.). And if I were parked in the sun anyway (say there's no shade), then no need to even fuss with the ground panels.

I had intended to put these panels on the roof of the boat, but after using them as ground panels I changed my mind. I like the looks of some of the "better" lightweight panels (Solbian, Aurinco), but they are pretty expensive and I think may not have come in the "right" physical size anyway (been awhile since I shopped them though).

So I decided to put some of the "efficient" 100 watt traditional glass/aluminum panels on the boat. The reason I say efficient, is that there is one panel that is able to make the same specs with only 32 cells (vs. 36) so instead of being something like 22" x 47" they are 22" x 41". A pair of those fit on the C-dory better (leaving room for a radome or etc.). They are also only 15 pounds apiece (not nearly as light as the plastic panels, but lighter than some of the larger/heavier traditional panels).

I mounted them across the handrails of the 22, with the two panels running fore-and-aft. This allowed me to use the panels themselves as "rails" of a sort. I joined the panels together with lengths of aluminum angle, then used some bimini fittings at the four corners. I combined some inspiration by EZ DUZIT's installation and then added my own tweaks (mine are flat; his are a gable shape).

I imagine that before too much time passes, we'll all be able to have relatively economical, thin, lightweight, super durable panels. At least I hope so!

Sunbeam

*I did have a failure of one of the lightweight panels. I noticed I wasn't taking in the usual number of amps, but was fooled at first because the voltage was correct (around 33.x volts since I have the two in series). However the amperage was not right. Aha. Then I looked at the diode box on one of the panels (where the wires connect to the panel - is on top of the panel on these thinner panels vs. on the back on traditional panels) and it was totally melted. Tends to make them not work! I had that replaced under warranty (thankfully Grape had held some back when they quit selling them for just that reason).
 
Harvey,

We bought the complete Go Power kit from Defender.

I checked reviews online and they look good, if pricey.

We have a Northstar Arrow 8.5 hard side truck camper with a 150 watt solar panel which keeps two group 27 batteries charged with no problem, although our fridge on the camper is propane.

On our 25 we have a start battery and two, group 27 house batteries, so we should be good-to-go!

Best,

Nick
Valkyrie II
 
Sunbeam":rv7n3gef said:
On the lightweight/"flexible" panels themselves. I wouldn't buy them unless I "had to."

* * *

So I decided to put some of the "efficient" 100 watt traditional glass/aluminum panels on the boat.

* * *

I mounted them across the handrails of the 22, with the two panels running fore-and-aft. Sunbeam

We have identical pairs of traditional glass in aluminum frame 100 watt panels on our RV and on Daydream. The ones on the RV are flat on the roof. No Victron or any monitor other than the built in battery monitor in the monitor panel (water, holding tanks, battery, etc.). They are charging two East Penn true deep cycle six volt golf cart batteries wired in series. They may get a bit more of test when we go down to Arizona in November, because we have discovered dry camping in casino parking lots!

The boat panels are currently charging two NAPA group 24 dual purpose batteries in parallel. Not optimal but inexpensive! These will soon be replaced with the other two East Penn six volt true deep cycle golf cart batteries I bought in Arizona last year (bought four one year old East Penn batteries for basically half price at our RV shop in Casa Grande). We have a Victon monitor, which is great for peace of mind. The boat panels actually work OK, but they would work better if they were flat up on the roof!

I really need to move the panels on the boat so they are flat on the roof. Could you post pictures of how your panels are mounted? I need to move mine, they are on each side outside of the rails so that each one is tilted opposite the other, and efficiency is way less than optimal.

 
Pat,

I'm picking up Valkyrie in NC in January and then heading to FL for a couple months. I'll post photos then. The panels will conform to the curvature of the roof and be mounted side-by-side to the rear of the roof. There will only be about an inch of roof space on each side. Should be perfect!

Nick
Valkyrie II
 
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