The Sky is Falling

[oldgrowth]

This is my response to JT from the following thread.

I did not want to continue it on that thread because it may get political, but I would prefer to keep it logical and scientific.

Hey oldgrowth,
This isn't a political thread is it? Sounds like Al gets your Goat!

In a word - YES.

His exaggeration are so over the top with so many people falling for his propaganda, it bothers me to no end.

I have a hard time understanding how so many people can be duped by him. Don’t they have a mind? Just the minimal amount of research and the slightest thought process would show them that his “an incontinent truth” is BS.

When I was little we use to call people him “chicken little”. A acorn fell on chicken little’s head and he ran around yelling “The Sky is Falling” “The Sky is Falling”. Sounds just like Al Gore to me.
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Dave

 

[ryder]

just an observation....it doesnt seem to matter what people say...it matters who says it...

 

[Captains Cat]

Pretty harsh criticism against someone who invented the internet! :roll:

Go for it! :thup

 

[dotnmarty]

Well, I remember when he said "The Emperor has no clothes". He was right then too. :wink

 

[marvin4239]

I agree with the "Chicken Little" thing. I've lived in a hurricane zone for all of my 60 years. Every year when hurricane season approaches theirs a big panic the state even suspends the sales tax on survival items for a couple weeks. Now there's nothing wrong with being prepared but some people take this to the extreme. In my 60 years I've only been in four hurricanes. With the New Orleans tragedy it's really gotten worse. The thing with hurricanes is you always have ample warning. Last year they predicted 11 hurricanes would possibly hit our coast and we didn't get a single one. On the other hand this recent outbreak of Red Tide we've been experiencing makes you wonder whats going on with mother earth. We've never had a Red Tide in our area and now it won't seem to go away.

 

[starcrafttom]

when the british courts come out and say that your movie contains "great false hoods" and has to have a disclamier read to the childeren before it is show, you may have a problem with your facts....

 

[ryder]

On the other hand this recent outbreak of Red Tide we've been experiencing makes you wonder whats going on with mother earth. We've never had a Red Tide in our area and now it won't seem to go away

Marvin....excellent point....there are certainly many things happening that the world is trying figure out. Scientists are not united on the reasons for it..however it makes it tough when partisan ship gets in the conversation.

 

[marvin4239]

I'm no scientist but I can put two and two together. Where our Red Tide was first reported on the south end of Amelia Island their are large pipes pumping spoil onto the beach. This spoil is coming from the Kings Bay Nuclear Submarine Base where they are dredging. They are pumping the muck on the beach in and attempt to replace the sand that the storms have taken away. About twenty years ago the Corps of Engineers dredged the ICW waterway in front of my house. They built a huge square berm and pumped the spoil into it. At that time they didn't put liners in these berms (now they do). The result was the liquid leached out and destroyed 1000's of acres of marsh and creeks adjoing the berm. It turned everything a rusting color. I think they tried to call it Red Tide! Of course the Corps accepted no blame for this. I've come to believe the term Red Tide is something generic meaning "We don't know whats going on." But then again I'm kind of a skeptic!

 

[Doryman]

just an observation....it doesnt seem to matter what people say...it matters who says it...

Truer words were never spoken!

Warren

 

[oldgrowth]

The earth’s temperature is like the waves and tide of the ocean. It has gone up and down for more than a thousand millennium. Sometimes (just like the waves) a big one comes in. For us to believe we can control it, is as foolish as believing we can control the tide and ocean waves.

There is no doubt we have an affect on the environment. Man has been doing that since he first invented fire, but then are we not a part of nature, just like everything on and some things off this earth.

If you want to make some of us aware of the potential environmental affects our actions may have on this earth, do it in a reasonable way without wild exaggerations. Also, consider what the cost to our economy and mankind will be for any change you are advocating.

Moreover, Yes, I do have a problem with Al Gore. His “an inconvenient truth” is so over exaggerated it is ridicules. Anyone with any common sense can disprove much of it. If his basic thesis is wrong then, you have to wonder why he is pushing it. Could it be $$$$?
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Dave

 

[ryder]

Man has been doing that since he first invented fire, but then are we not a part of nature, just like everything on and some things off this earth

Yea the devastation of spilling billions of gallons of oil into the ocean is just man being a part of nature.

sheesh

Jim D

 

[Hunkydory]

just an observation....it doesnt seem to matter what people say...it matters who says it...

Truer words were never spoken!

Warren

Perhaps to many it does matter who says what, but many like me feel what is said and why----is what really matters. Yes Dave, most of what is said is directed by $$$$ or maybe political agenda, which in most cases is the same. Most of the environmental groups ultimate goals are wealth distribution not the so called saving of the environment. If it really was the environment they were so concerned about their lifestyles and use of the resources they claim to be so harmful would reflect this. Instead they twist the facts or out right lie to gain either $$$ and notoriety for themselves or to achieve the shifting of wealth by using taxes and tax exemptions. Maybe the reason that Al Gore gets the goat of some of us like Dave and I is His being a prime example of the above.

Jay

 

[oldgrowth]

Yea the devastation of spilling billions of gallons of oil into the ocean is just man being a part of nature.

Jim D - Please do not take this as a personal attack on you, but this is a perfect example of the hystera of mans affect on the enviroment. You did just what Al Gore is doing.

I can only assume you are talking about the Exxon Valdez’s 11 million gallon oil spill (the largest in our history) and then you throw out a figure of 1 billion. We don’t have a ship capable of carring anywhere near a billion gallons.

Nature is spewing out more oil every day in our oceans than we spill in a year. One of the best-known areas where this happens is Coal Oil Point along the California Coast near Santa Barbara. An estimated 2,000 to 3,000 gallons of crude oil is released naturally from the ocean bottom every day, just a few miles offshore from this beach. Another is the oil seeps in the Gulf of Mexico which spews twice the Exxon Valdez spill every year.

I could site many more but, I guess if nature does it, it is OK. If man does 1/100th of that, the world will come to an end.

My point is this, be diligent about your effects on the enviroment and insest that your government do the same. At the same time be aware that accidents will happen and lets not stop the advancement of civilization because of people like Al Gore.
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Dave

 

[ryder]

Dave I would really like to adress your post and talk to you about hysteria and misleading people. I can assure you your problem isnt Al Gore. But this is a boat forum so I will let it go.

Regards
Jim

 

[dotnmarty]

Hey wait a minute---$$$$$ (money) is not a bad thing. It's a tool, just like a shovel, or even perhaps, a gun. If it creates jobs, like building windmills and solar panels instead of drilling for fossil fuel or paying OPEC $100 a barrel, what's wrong with that?
As far as this being a boating forum, the "that's life" forum is an appropriate place for these sort of off-topic thoughts. Anyway, if gas keeps going up we will be rigging sails on boats soon enough. As my friend Ecclesiates was fond of saying, 'Vanity of vanities, a striving after wind" :wink:

 

[gary allen]

Yes, thanks heavens this is just a boat forum so Dave's hysteria doesn't gain a wider audience.

 

[ryder]

Gary,

I would like to buy you a beer.

Jim D

 

[Hunkydory]

No inference here that money is a bad thing. Sure wished I had a lot more of it, but I wouldn't knowingly distort the facts for its gain and I think its completely hypocritical to waste the very resources you are condemning others for providing and using because you have the wealth to build and live in what goes way beyond a home, travel by the least energy efficient means and then justify it by paying a tax that you feel is helpful to others. Al Gore is just one of the many environmental leaders and expounders who I feel fit in this category.

For those thinking the sky is eminently in danger of falling along with all the others maraud of horrors advancing on us due to our causing climate change the $100 a barrel oil might just provide real justification for alternate fuels it sure will slow the use of our present fuels by the likes of me who don't have the $$$$ to purchase them at this cost level. Climate change is going to happen no matter what we do. Just a quick look in the past will tell you that. Sometimes fast sometimes slow but it will happen. Perhaps our time and $$$$ could be better spent determining how we are going to deal with the change and real environmental concerns involving air, water and land quality. Personally I think for many the sky is falling, but will show up more in the form of an accident or sickness perhaps even more preventable and much more worth worrying about then than the perceived global warming by man.

Could it be whether caused by man or not that global warming is one of the leading items that the demagogues through distortion and lies can sway the masses into there own personal political agenda and self inrichment.

I've worked most of my life in industries that provide heat, fuel, food and shelter for the human species. It does grate on my sensibilities to have the over indulger's in all these areas expounding on the environmental problems these industries create. However I agree with Dave on us all being diligent in our own personal effect on the environment and work toward our government doing the same. Achieving sound enviremental policy leaving out personal political agenda by honest scientific study and debate would be the most desirable way to accomplish this to me. If this is your diffinition of hysteria as for some it seems to be----I plead quilty.

Windmills---- a good thing unless they are in your back yard or in Kennedy's case off his shore. In any case for the forseeable future if you want the lights to come on when you flip the switch someone better be mining coal and drilling for that fossil fuel.

Jay

 

[Captains Cat]

Could it be that humans make Evolution move a little faster?? :shock:

I've told you guys a million times, don't exagerate!! :disgust

 

[dotnmarty]

Aye, aye, sir.