Tomcat

Grumpy Man

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I was recently at the seattle boat show looking for a new boat and the tomcat caught my interest. I remembered the C-Dory name from a group that we meet at Deer Harbour this summer. I think the boat name is C-Knot.... Anyway i am interested finding out more information and owners feedback. We spend a lot of time from Puget Sound and north to Bell Coola so rougher water are common for us.
Thanks,
Don
 
Welcome Don,

There is a wealth of information on this site. Look around in the Forums for topics you might be interested in, or use the search function for specific words or threads.
 
The other option, beside our specific threads, is to do a specific search on "TomCat 255" or Tom cat". There are several other threads which are:
"Galley Storage in a Tom Cat", "Another Tom Cat","New Tom Cat 25". Feel free to E mail or private message any of us. Probably the best over all view of voyage is "Discovery in the North West" where they take a 41 or so day trip over 1100 miles from Anacortes to Port McNiel and back. Gives a very good summary of the boat up your way.

I have one down in the Gulf Coast and have cruised the PNW for 3 years full time (different boat) and part of two summers in a C Dory22, and chose a Tom Cat 255 for further exploration of your area--hopefully a month or two next summer.
 
Thanks for the great pics and stories! I was hoping to get some feedback on how the tom cat handles heavy chop and also boat related problems such as leaks, electrical problems, workmanship, ect... This will be our third one and have had varying experences with dealers and boat manufactures. Some good, some not so good. The wife and I spent quite a bit of time on the water, as our present boat was fitted with a new 115 E-Tec in june of this year and has over 175 hours on it now.
Thanks,
Don
 
If you read all of the threads carefully it does tell you how the boat handles in chop. Basically the factory has gone on record that the boat was not designed for anything greater than 3 foot seas. There will be some slap and bridge deck pounding in heavier seas. The large swells are handled well. If you are always going to be going into heavy seas, my impression is that the Glacier Bay 2690 is a better boat. However the Tom Cat handles beam and down wind conditions better than the Glacier Bay. The boat has to bear off a bit, and not take seas head on. In 3 foot seas, we were running right along side a 26 foot Regulator--26 degree dead rise and generally acknolweged to be the best boat in a chop of that size. The rides were comperable. But at trolling speeds or rest, the cat beats the monhulls. If you look at Dreamers, Discovery and Dive Cat posts you will see that in seas of 4 to 6 feet they slow down and do not go as fast. But the boat makes out--and they run at displacment/semidisplacement speeds. My personal opininon is that trim is critical, that I find that the Suzuki 150's with the 21" props give a very responsive boat--idle to 30 in 5 seconds--thats almost sports car speed.
Working waves with that type of power gives you a lot of options--no problem cutting the power back if necessary and getting back up on plane. The TomCat is one of the few true planing cats. The fuel consumption will be better in a narrow planing range--but not quite as good as you drop drown to semi displacement. So far the valid fuel consumption figures come in at the 2.3 mpg range--which is excellent for a boat of this type.

I had some quality control issues on my boat. I think that the factory has taken suggestions to heart and resolved some problems. I had one leak around the foreward hatch, the cutout was too large. I filled the edges and added more glass, then properly bedded the hatch. We have had rains of over an inch an hour and there are absolutely no leaks now.

Electrical--generally good. The buss bars were not covered--this has been changed. I did add more wire to the console, but I have a lot of electronics (two chart plotters, FF, 2 VHF, SSB/ham) I have a chest type of freezer, so added a second larger house battery. I put in a second larger battery charger(with temp compensation)--the factory unit is not aequate for serious cruising.

There have been a few details which I have had to fix. I choose to do it myself--the factory has been very supportive, sending me any parts or materials I needed. It is a 30 mile ride to the nearest ramp which will handle the TomCat 255 plus a 5 hour drive each way to the dealer--so 20 hours plus 60 miles on the water--that is a lot of time and cost for minor repairs.

The cabin space is impossiable to beat in a boat this size. We will have no problem spending a month at a time on the boat. We also have a lot of boating experience--on up to a 62 footer, which we sailed over 40,000 miles in 4 years. I like the C dory philosophy and support. The hulls are well built. The 30 year old boats are still in excellent condition and resale as been excellent.

Please feel free to contact me off list if you wish.
 
Brief boating bio: began sailing on my dad's boats at age 4 months in the mid 30's. For my 5th birthday present, I asked to be allowed to solo a small sailboat. My father had a 26 foot sailboat which he had rebiult during WWII and was launched as soon as a mooring (between pilings)in San Pedro Ca was available in 1946. We sailed every weekend. At age 13 I won my first ocean race-when my father was out of town. I continued to race his boat until college.

During 7 summers I worked at Catalina and at other summer camps as a maintance man. When in Med School at Baylor (Houston), I purchased a 15 foot outboard runabout and on weekends/summers and Holidays, I ran the ICW from New Orleans to Brownsville Texas, camping on the beach. In 1961 I pruchased a 27 foot "Owen's Sea Skiff" which we fished for a year or so, but sailing was still my love, and so I purchased a 29 foot Columbia Defender and raced it at least twice a week in S. Calif. I would sail from Redando Beach to Long Beach on most Friday nights, raced all weekend, and sailed back "home" on Sunday night. I lived aboard this boat for 6 years during my Internship and Residency--and part of the time I taught at UCLA Med school. My first trip to Baja was in 1963. Thru the years I made multiple trips up and down the Coast of Calif. and Mexico as far North as San Franscisco and as far South as Cabo. During 1967-69 I was stationed at Fort Lee VA courtesy US Army, and spent every weekend sailing the Chesapeake--mostly on boats owned by facuality at Medical College of VA, where I also had a teaching appointment.

Returning to S. Calif. I owned a series of racing boats up to a 45 footer. One year we did over 100 races. Did all of the West Coast Races, including the Transpac, a number of Mexican races, such as the Puerta Vallarta race--won a number of trophies. But we also had a series of smaller power boats--from 18 to 24 feet. In 1978 we purchased a bankrupt boat building company and built a 38 foot cruising sailboat. Marie and I took 5 months off--initially heading to Hawaii, but aborted that part of the cruise and headed to Seattle. By the time we got to Humbolt Bay, Marie said the famous words "Buy me a pilot house boat and take me South and I will follow you anywhere". We spent several months in the Sacramento Delta. So we sold the 38 footer--I think we figured that we "made" about $3.00 an hour for our effort. (I was in private practice of internal Medicine/Nephrology and Marie was an RN hospital administrator)--we had both worked 8 to 9 hours a day at our professions, plus spent 7 to 8 hours a day boat building.

We purchased a Force 50 (Bill Garden design 53 feet on deck, 62' LOA) Ketch--which was almost new but had been donated to UCI. I immediately quit practice and began to outfit the boat for cruising. We had already flown to the S. Pacific, sailed there, Australia, and New Zealand with friends, and sailed to Hawaii, so we decided to take 4 years and sail to Europe. We left in the Fall of 1982, sailed down to Mexico, thru the Panama canal, to San Blas Islands, back to Key West via Honduras, Isla Mejeures, then up the East Coast to the Canadian Border--I had to have back surgery in Nov. 1983 and we could not leave Norfolk VA until January 1984. In May we sailed from Datona Beach to Bermuda, Azores and Spain. We encountered a full storm (6 days of 65 to 75 knot winds, and 40 to 45 foot seas in route). We cruised the Med as far East as Turkey, for the next year or so, then up the West coast of Europe and spent a summer in the Baltic. Next back to Portugal, Madara, the Cannaries and across the Atlantic to Barbados. We spent 7 months in the Caribbean, visiting all of the Islands, and eventually sailed back thru the canal to Long Beach in late 1985.

I went back into practice--then director of Athletic Medicine at CSULB, and retired in 1992. We had sold the Force 50, and had a series of small boats--up to 27 feet. We found a derelict Cal 46, and completely gutted it, and rebuilt all systems. We left California in April 1993 and spent 3 years cruising the PNW, 3 trips up the Inland Passage, all different routes, so we covered much of that area--including the outside of the Islands, South of Icy Straights down to the Queen Charolettes and Vancouver Island. Back down the Coast to Long Beach--later that winter to Mexico, Central America (they had stopped shooting by that time, so we explored all of the countries), back to Panama, down to Columbia, and up to Rio Dulce, Belize, Mexico and up to Pensacola FL. We have also cruised all of the gulf coast, and Florida--up and down the ICW several times. Some trips up the Rivers. I gave professional lectures on medicine at sea, safety at sea, "secrets to successful cruisng", anchoring, storm tactics, preparation for cruising, and series of lectures with slides and movies of our various adventures. I was a commodore member and on the BOD of Seven Seas Cruising Association.

I had admired the C Dory since I saw one of the first ones in the late 70's in Long Beach CA--We purchased the C Dory 22 several years ago, and used her in S. Calif. Lake Powell and the PNW for 3 years.

Health issues precluded our continuing to sail. We owned a series of trawlers, then an express cruiser, and finally this last year, we decided that we wanted a trailerable Catmaran. Thus the C Dory was selected after sea trialing Glacier Bay, World Cat and Twin Vee boats.

During the last few years I have been doing informal, pro bono marine surveys on over 200 hurricane damaged boats. Mostly to let potential buyers be aware of the problems in the boats, how to repair the boats and estimated costs of repair of the hurricane damaged boats---yes I bought one and fixed it up. Fortunately it was only 18 feet--I lost the bid on the 56 footer--much to Marie's relief!

I also have been working on a project on non destructive testing of fiberglass hulls and combined laminates, with various forms of ultrasonic technologies--long story. We have successful technologies, but the equiptment is too expensive at this point to make it practical for the average marine surveyor.

I do quite a bit of consulting on pruchase of boats and have been consulting on outfitting boats for long distance cruising for about 30 years. I have put together hundreds of medical kits for long distance cruisers when I was in practice.

I suspect that this is a lot more than you wanted to know....
 
Thanks Dr Bob
very interesting.
What is in a medical kit for long distance cruisers?
I am a microbiologist and lately its been "Eating always is a risky business".
 
Bob-

I always wanted to ask you about your medical career and sailing/boating adventures, but thought you might want to keep your professional life separate from the boating experiences and advice,

Thanks for a very through, enlightening, and amazing tale.

Now we know why your have so much experience, knowledge, and wisdom to offer.

Thanks, again!

Joe.
 
I don't mean to hijack this thread, so later today, I will start a separate thread on medical kits, ditch bag and what I call my personal security bag.
 
Bob,

Thanks for the very informative post! Sounds like you have had a very interesting life!

Since you mentioned that you had sea trialed the 4 different cats, what was it that made you choose the TomCat over the rest?
 
The cabin design and "livablity" was the deciding factor. The World cat was more like an express cruiser--and really had a very limited galley. The Glacier Bay 2690 had a queen size bunk, fore and aft, with the head right along side--Wife objected to that--The dinette was much smaller, less storage, and the stove was single burner. One plus was that one side deck was 13" wide--but the negative that came with that, is the loss of a foot of beam in the pilot house.

Twin Vee: quality of construction, rough appearance, bad leaks in the cabin--no real galley.

As for rides, the Twin V was fairly similar to Tom Cat. The Glacier bay was good into chop--but in a beam sea or down heavy seas, became a bit more difficult to control.

Hope that helps.
 
mikeporterinmd":1bepnasa said:
Anyone know if the older Tomcat 24 handles similarly to the newer 255?

Thanks,

Mike

Yes. The big difference is in the weight limit for the motors. The 255 has brackets(larger cockpit) and allows for power up to 300 hp. The max hp for the 24 with 4 strokes was 230(?). The factory originally recommended twin 90's.
The 255 also has a bubble in the tunnel roof to help with hull slap. Once again, altering course helps alleviate this problem alot. Keeping the bow down in the chop helps the ride also. I've added Permatrims to ours to help bring the bow down when you want.
 
I'll step on a weak limb here - had the 24 for a couple of years and have run the new one a few times. Same, but different, I guess. the hulls are very similar, and take head seas about the same, but with the outboards way out thar in back I can notice some difference in close-in maneuvering. With the wide-spaced outboards they are both unbeatable in tight maneuvering circumstances. I don't have enough experience with the new TC to comment on heavy weather handling. I've had both in about 3 ft. seas - absolute piece of cake, but if it gets much worse I'd guess you would want to take the weather broad off the bow. And my guess is that both hulls are about the same in that respect. I'm sure Mr. Thataway can give better info than I can on the new one.

Dusty
 
My neighbor has a Tom Cat 24 and I have ridden in that. My impression is that there is very slightly more tunnel clearance in the old 24 aft. I agree with Dusty that the ride is very close between the 24 and 255. The 255 is considerably heavier. The hull extension give some slight floatation, and a little static floatation from the bracket at slow speeds in the TC 255, but at planing speed the hull line is about the same. I don't think that the small divider on the wing deck makes much difference in slap. If you read Malcom Tennant he feels that you cannot have flat surfaces, (which the 24 and 255 have on the foreward bridge deck and that the bridge deck needs to be higher to avoid slap/sneeze.

I believe that the 24 and 255 will run right along side each other in the same seas--that the 24 will be slightly more economical to run. Both are good boats.
 
We have owned and operated both boats ( TC24 and TC255) for about 200 hours each. The ride is similar, but the TC255 is much dryer in a chop. The windows were always wet on the TC24 in a 1' to 2' chop. The TC255 is rarely wet. The added weight of the TC255 may let the bow ride a little lower. I have had both boats out in some pretty nasty conditions (6'+ seas), and the TC255 pounds less and gives a better overall ride. It may be due to the added length. The TC255 is 30' including brackets and motors.

When things get rough its best to quarter into the waves. In waves up to about 3' it's best to keep the speed up (16 to 20 knots) and the nose up and over the waves. Much dryer windows. When it gets rougher you have to slow down and deal with the waves one at a time.

There is no comparison in the using and cruising of the two boats. The traditional near vertical forward windows on the TC255, the improved head location and the additional 3' of useable length make it the hands down winner.

We are leaving this morning for a week on Lake Powell. Just love this boat.
 
Well, thanks for such a wealth of information and pics. Our next step is to set foot in one again and take notes on likes and dislikes and then find a suitable dealer. I was told that as of Oct 1 that you can no longer buy directly from the factory. The boss also said that the toy box had to be cleaned out, 40' motorhome, and 2 boats because there is not any room left. And then the picking of a new boat name. :cigar

Don
 
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