Transmissions and towing

If you are just towing local this stuff may not be that benificial in the long run. Due to tires dryrotting and brakes rusting over time instead of wearing out from thousands of towed miles. However most CD owners initially think local waters. When they find out the CD can tow great distances and we live in the greatest country on earth with freedom to roam they venture further than originaly planned. SO, I would recommend the best trailer set-up if your budget allows. Both for your safety and LESS towing stress on you and of course accident avoidance. Better to have good brakes and live to boat the same day. Instead of filling out accident reports, insurance forms and having your boating plans interupted. The value of your trailer will be worth more should you decide to upgrade to a bigger boat in the future.

Radial tires for sure are the way to go. Smoother, quieter, cooler running, longer lasting. Especially on rubber melting HOT southern roads and in extreme northern cold offers greater rubber flex. I have a tandem trailer that had bias tires on all axles. I replaced them when I got the rig with more bias ply tires. I then began to swap to radials after getting educated. I now have two radials on the front axle and two bias tires on the rear. ( On a normal vehicle you shouldnt mix radials and bias ply tires). After just a few thousand miles the difference between the types of tire is easily seen. The bias have dramatic wear compared to the new looking radials. These tires are balanced as all tires should be. Insist yours get balanced. Lots of tire guys feel it is uneccesary on trailer tires. An unbalanced tire just hammers your suspension at freeway speeds and is not good for the tire.

Recommend 14" tires. For some reason lots of places don't stock the 13" tire. Slight benifits include: A better quality tire and a greater brand selection, Easier to find especially in remote areas, Less revolutions PER MILE allows the tire to run cooler and last longer, the same benifit is passed on to the trailer axle bearings for the same reason. A bigger tire will scrub less in a tight turn. A 14" tire can be had with greater load capacity than a 13" tire lasting longer and hopefully preventing failure on the road.

You might have to back the boat a dab further in the water but I feel a moot point when you consider the benifits.

Recommend dual axle brakes. Look close at every boat trailer you see and you will notice variations. Disk or drum brakes. Brakes on the rear axle? Brakes on the front axle? Brakes on both axles? No brakes at all? Surge brakes? Electric over hydralic?

In general most of the weight is over the front axle. When they put the brakes on the back axle they are lightly loaded. The result is they are very easy to lock up and slide, but they really don't do a great job of stopping anything. Once A light turned from red, to green and then right back to red. My trailer did a very looooooong skid when I moderatly smacked the brakes. The truck had way more braking reserve to stop me but the point here is the trailer brakes are smoking and I am barly slowing down. And this was on a dead flat DRY stretch of road. Another instance: I am tooling down the highway at 65mph, nightime. Dead flat highway. WAY up ahead I see a van ( he rode my blind spot forever before he passed me). Pull over into the breakdown lane. Traffic on my left so I can't move to the fast lane to give him some room. So I just lift off the gas and coast. Just before we get to the van he makes a sharp left turn across all lanes of traffic and down thru the medium. Again hammer the brakes, anti-lock rear brakes locked, lots of smoke and we do the slide for life. That dipstick almost killed us. No time to soil myself.

Brakes on the front axle are generally better at stopping simply becuase more weight pushes down on the tires

Brakes on both axles are as good as it gets. You want the trailer to stop the trailer and the truck brakes to stop the truck. The benifit here is that ALL your brakes will last longer. Ford trucks for example have fantastic brakes with excellent stopping power. However, if you hammer the brakes the front rotors on the truck get very hot. Ford rotors are prone to warping easily. That is the pulsation you feel in the brake pedal when you lightly push the brake pedal when slowing down. So, pay now for extra brakes on the trailer, have better braking power all around, and save money by not warping the tow vehicles front rotors.

Remember on a steep down hill another job of trailer brakes is to prevent a jacknife. The tow vehicle can almost always stop better than the trailer. The trailer brakes is what keeps the trailer from passing the tow vehicle on a down hill panick stop. This situation is made worse when the road is wet, snowy or icy. Again tandem brakes is the best set-up.
 
This plan is getting more precise.

I have pretty well settled on a 2005 Toyota Tundra with towing stuff as part the package.

For the trailer: EZ Loader TEL 19-24, 5200 pds, 14 inch tires, tandem, with brakes on both axles. Looking into Goodyear Marathon tires.

I'd likecomments on this package.

RE: the trip itself. We can't leave until about Dec 27, so , based on advice here, we are looking into getting into Florida before launching.
Question: Is there some place where people can pay to leave the rig for an extended period of time?

We are, of course, gathering the names of C Dory people along the way,not to bother them, but as a kind of "security" blanket for the trip. This will be our first time trailering any distance...

We would like to plan on spending at least 8 weeks on this Florida stay.

Help appreciated, and advice.

Terraplane
 
The trailer sounds good. You can find any number of storage yards for storage of the rig. They will charge for the over all length of the boat and trailer (including outboard). Some are more secure than others, but I would not leave any real high priced items aboard...

All waterfront towns have good ramps--you may want to store the trailer and rig if you are goning to be gone more than a couple of days, in a secure facility. For example one of our local facilities has a marina, shipyard, a ramp and good storage all in the same local.

We stored RV's and the occasional boat in these yards for years--sure nice having a dock, lift and plenty of storage at your own home....

As you get more into the season, it may be a bit harder to find a storage facility where you want--but in the Panhandle section of Fl. storage is available all year around.
 
I picked up the truck last night and WISH I could say everything's hunky dory. When I pulled out into traffic out of the dealership lot, it clunked. As I merged into traffic, the tranny slipped. I dug out my cell and called the dealership less than 1/2 mile away, and they said, "drive it and give us a call tomorrow if there's any problems -- it just needs to settle in." (begin simmering -- not a boil yet, but I DO have over 50 years' experience of condescending comments from men who are convinced women don't have brains) -- I drive home, and it was fine until I got to my exit off I-5. At the stop, pulling out, it hiccupped 3 times before it finally slid into gear. This morning, I left for work (supposed to get in early this morning because I'm batching over 160 yards of concrete and we have 20 trucks doing deliveries of aggregates) -- merge in on I-5, give it some gas and the RPMs go up, speed goes down...tranny finally engages and I get up to speed -- but that didn't last...long story short, I made it to an exit and the stop sign at the end of the ramp -- shut off the engine -- it was really hard to shift it into park -- and that's where the tow truck picked me up.

Do you know how many people don't look at the vehicle in front and don't notice hazard flashers on? Do you know some people honk at you to get out of their way? I kept waving one fella by and he was just sitting there for almost 4 minutes -- others were pulling out and around from behind him! :lol:

When I called the dealership, that young "gent" (using that term VERY loosely) said, "That doesn't sound like the transmission -- it must be something else -- bring it in!" The tranny wasn't going anywhere without a tow truck, so I'm not at work, had a long ride in a tow truck from Albany to Newberg, and I've vented to the one who told me it wasn't the tranny. I will definitely be having a chat with the service manager when he's back from "Rotary."

Steve has to work Saturday so it looks like I'm just doomed not to fish yet another weekend -- I should put up a post "Deckhand available in trade for a fishing seat! I come with bait and gear! Will travel" :xlol

Caty
 
Caty-

Five :star :star :star :star :star 's for a tale of great sadness!

Condolences for your plight! :cry

Automotive troubles can be very frustrating, not to mention the profit-driven and sometimes discourteous people one sometimes runs into. And the freeway idiots are hard to tolerate, too! :amgry

Here's wishing someone local up near you can give you a much-deserved ride out to the fishing grounds this weekend! :rainbow

Joe.
 
Give 'em hell Caty. Service personel that are lazy, stupid, ignorant, uncaring, prejudiced and have snotty attitudes need to be weeded out.
 
Ohh... Caty...

'sounds like a 'not fun' time to me. I can tell how much you just want to get out and wet a hook.

I've always been amazed by businesses who blow off a customer's concern. I mean, how many ppl actually WANT to spend their days trying to explain a FAKE problem to an UNCARING employee?????? Not many...

When someone comes to my office with a strange problem, I always try to ask myself how many really fun things they'd rather be doing instead of assuming the problem is in the customer's head.

I'm a bit nervous since I drive a similar truck.... 'hope I don't run into the same problem...

Good luck - it's gotta get better!

John
 
Caty,

You have more vehicle troubles than my son! And that is saying something! Sheesh!

First and foremost, stop talking to the service rep and get the manager. Then threaten to place a call to the Ford Rep and tell them you are going to report their service department for this (Or call the rep first). :evil:

Also, even though you may not understand exactly what is wrong with each part of the truck get them to explain exactly what it is they are doing and also make sure they put that explanation on the work order in words that you can understand! This is Extremely important! The work order is what they use to know what they are supposed to fix and what you use to know what they fixed and how it was supposedly fixed. It also becomes the contract between the shop and yourself. Thus if something happens down the line and it was supposed to be fixed on that work order but isn't you have something to go after the repair facility for. FYI: It used to be that if you were quoted on the work order a price for the repair and they went over that price by more than 10% you had a legal right to not have to pay the shop for the "extra" above the 10% (at least it was that way in Washington when I was a mechanic).

It can also really help if you have a friend who is mechanically inclined to be with you when you talk to them about what needs fixing. The friends job is to alert you to any BS they try to pull on you.

In a former life I was a mechanic for over 10 years. I've had to play the role of the friend for people on many occasions (mostly my sister) and it is amazing how often the tone changes when I show up and they find they can't put one over on the customer any more. :smilep
 
mikeporterinmd":j9jvcljp said:
Mmmm...RPMs go up, speed goes down. Maybe your tires were slipping
on the rims :-)

Not the transmission....jeez.


Mike

Thanks, Mike...I needed that laugh :wink

I talked with the service manager and he's going to corner the fella and tell him he's in customer service and needs to learn to listen -- I let him know I'd called last night as I left the dealership and he said they should have turned me right back around then and taken the truck back.

What a day! time for
:cocktail :cocktail :cocktail :cocktail :cocktail :cocktail :cocktail :cocktail :cocktail

Caty
 
Well, I called the shop today to try to get an update -- seems the torque converter tried to escape and took out the pump in its attempt ... bottom line -- they'll be putting in a brand new transmission that's supposed to arrive sometime tomorrow -- I'm making a WILD guess we won't get the truck back before the weekend and yet another nice calm weekend on the ocean will escape us. :amgry

Caty
 
That's gotta hurt. Can they loan you a truck? When I had dealer
warrantee work done, they went to lengths to loan me an
equivalent type of vehicle. I own an F-150 and was loaned a Chevy
of the same size.

Mike
 
Mike, I wish :) I have a Merc Sable as a loaner -- they don't normally provide a loaner car, so I'm countin myself lucky to have it.

We'll just keep living the C-Dory life through everyone elses' posts for now :smilep

Caty
 
Gosh, I thought all that could go wrong had gone wrong...until I called the Service Manager today to get another update (they were supposed to get the new tranny from Kent today). He said they're waiting for an inspector from the factory to look at the damaged parts and make a determination. He said his plan is to "refund what you paid originally" (which means void the 12 mo/12,000 mile warranty that goes with it, I'm guessing), "and put in a new transmission." I told him I left there with a 12 mo/12k mile warranty, called them immediately upon pulling out in traffic and told them it wasn't right, and they told me to "drive it and let it settle in" -- and consequently it didn't last even 1/2 day."

I'm thinking I'm not paying one more penny toward repairs and I'm prepared to see them in court if that's what they think they're going to do. What's gone wrong with this world? What ever happened to backing up your work and your product? The SM tried to say I'd get a better warranty -- I'm thinkin if they want to give me a LIFETIME warranty, I may think about it!

Caty
 
Caty,

Last week juiced on a pot of coffee after 4 hours sleep, I spent a few hours typing up some BS about trans troubles and when I hit spellcheck it went "POOF"...

Anyway it sounds like you are working with a Ford dealer?

Just wondering what was it that they repaired the first time and what was the bill? Was it anything with the torque convertor/pump?

Sounds like you are on the right track. If you needed a new trans they should have told you before they attempted to repair the old one. Sounds like the repair failed.

If you go for the new trans get a price from a different dealer to compare. Then try for a reduced price for your numerouse attempts at getting it properly repaired the first time. The trans is the most expensive repair on a vehicle. It is also almost impossible to get a reliable major trans repair to last.

Quality is just about gone these days. Everything is made in China and the quality is not there. I am taking my car back for a simple front end alignment for the THIRD time after they damaged my brand new rack and pinion. On my other car I just replaced the radiator and it is now leaking transmission fluid. Yea it has a lifetime warranty but when it leaks when it is new I want my money back...

Good luck .
 
yup, Chris - it's a ford dealer...QC just doesn't seem to exist in some operations.

They put in a new torque convertor, a rebuild kit and a screen, then fixed the EGR valve when they found it was sticky.

The torque convertor took out the pump when it finally broke down and wouldn't budge any more.

I don't know what's going to happen from here, but I HATE being without my truck -- it sure cuts into our boating time!

Caty
 
Short update -- Murphy lives on

They ordered new transmission -- received wrong one -- the right new one is supposed to be there tomorrow. ONLY another $1300 -- what a bargain, eh? They'll flush it, comes with new transmission, new cooler and new pan, new filters -- if this doesn't work, I think I'll set it on fire in their shop and just be done with it...might be worth doing the time in jail just to see them not service anyone's vehicles for some time. Just kidding!!!...too much fishing to be done to go to jail :xtongue
 
Caty,

I hope they got your truck back!

I just had my Hawg break down on me today. Guess I won't be riding for a few weeks now. :(
 
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