Trawlers - Off Topic

I certainly respect Bob's experience, but I wasn't saying that one "could" or "could not" use a boat for multiple purposes. Heck, there's the famous anecdote of the guy who brought a GB from Hawaii to the mainland - it had twins and he ran on one engine, pausing midway to dive overboard to move the prop to the other engine to even wear!

It's just that there are tradeoffs made in any design, and a potential buyer should consider them. As Bob mentioned, active fins that stick out and down several feet become a liability in coastal crusing (and have no value at the dock). And remember the paravane scene in "Perfect Storm"?

OTOH, that nice comfy household furniture in the saloon might not do so well offshore. And that spacious wide aft cabin with a flat stern and no keel is going to have some challenging handling characteristics while coming in over a bar with a following sea and not planing.

Yes, if you pick your weather and don't push it, you can go up and down the coast in almost any craft with adequate preparation. However, we all know how seductive it can be to push back that comfort level just to make a schedule. Some boats are designed with substantial allowances, others will be less forgiving of lapses in judgement.
 
As a followup on the stabilizers thing...I tracked down the info on the sinking of the classic yacht Malibu in 2000 when it's stabilizer was ripped from the hull:
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Declared a total loss, the owner rebuilt it (at a cost of twice what it was worth):
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/pacificnw05072006/living.html

Ironically, I recall thinking how lucky the Nordic tug sitting on the mud on the East side of the channel into Flounder Bay this morning was not to have stabilizers. They gave me a friendly wave as I idled past, and I assume that the rising tide refloated them an hour or so later. They were about 60 feet from the piling with the sign saying to stay on the other side of the channel!
 
Changing the prop . . .

You didn't describe in any detail the method used. For example, he might have run on one prop, removing the other to reduce drag, even though he carried several spares on board. In that case, one would install the prop on the other engine before removing the one that has been in use.

However, on first reading of your message I envisioned the guy traveling with one prop, diving under the boat, removing it, and installing it on the other engine.

Boy, would that be one huge "Oh, sh--" if you dropped it during the exchange!!! :shock: :? :oops: :x :huh: :cry: :disgust :beer :cocktail :beer :cocktail :beer :cocktail
 
Reading that neat story about the multi-million dollar restoration of that old boat being several times it's 'true value' reminds me of an odd price thing locally.

A guy had a 1.3 million dollar yacht on Grand Lake, OK, but found a larger model he liked at a Florida boat show which he brought back to Grand Lake for 1.7 million dollars. He spent this Spring trying to sell his "old" 1.3 million dollar yacht to no avail. Wanting to be free of the problem of the "old" 1.3 million dollar yacht, he sold it to a local couple for $250,000! It had 120 hours on the engines! Where were we when this happened???

So, you see, values can change rapidly. The yacht owner was happy, the couple getting the 'old' boat was happy, and the marina has a new long term tennant.

John
 
Iggy, The Grand Bank 42 from Hawaii, had plenty of props (4)--he took off one to reduce the drag. We find that on trawlers and motor sailors a fixed large prop can "cost" a half a knot or perhaps more. Switching props is not as hard as you might expect. You have a line around the prop, as well as tools. The nuts and cotter pins, keys are kept in a mesh bag, along with spares. He wanted to equalize the engine hours.. An easier way is to have fully feathering props (controlable pitch), and a large cat which came up from New Zealand to the PNW, just feathered the prop not being used.

I used to change props in the ship, without diving gear up to twice a week. I had a sailboat I raced some weekdays and then cruised on weekends and other weekends raced. I had a "Martec" folding prop for racing--a bit harder to put on than a standard prop--and a 3 blade fixed prop for cruising. I got it down to 3 dives, most of the time.

Centerisland. On cruising boats, with furinture, it is dogged down. You may not have seen that. Even in my ocean crossing motor sailors, I had a helm chair which could be moved, but when at sea, was dogged down with secure latches. We find that "furniture" is much more comfortable than most of the built in settees and dinettes. It is relitatively easy to modify the built ins with foam etc, but I find that even then the seating is not as comfortable. Putting in latches to secure furniture is fairly easy.

Many of these sun deck motor yacht-trawlers have plenty of power (The Symbol had twin 3208 cats). Remember that sport fishers routinely run inlets. (Lets face it, none of these boats are real trawlers--if you want a trawler look at Malahides or similar boats: http://www.classictrawlers.net/malahide/
Ursa Major is an example of these boats which is often in the PNW. The Romsdal, Colin archer designs are all "Trawlers"--work boat heritage. Some of them were actually working trawlers before conversion. I love these vessels, but cannot afford either the time or money to keep one in shape.) I have run breaking inlets in several continents, and do not relish that in any vessel, but with enough HP, the Symbol type of boat can be controlled to keep her on the back of a wave--basically seamanship is necessary. A true trawler is double ended and allows the wave to part and pass under the vessel because she is slow. A 44 foot displacement or semi displacement boat can be at more risk in a breaking inlet than a faster boat, which has the HP to stay on the back of the wave, and the control of twins with prop wash against the rudders to keep her on track. But--one would not normally attempt breaking inlets. Working inlets is more than just steering--throttle work is essential in any type of boat. For example the responsiveness of the Tom Cat is essential in working inlets.

I like folks to know about alternatives and vessels which will suit their lifestyle. I have seen so many people with fantisy's about open ocean cruising or living aboard, who either never go more than a few hundred miles, or start on a trip and realize quickly that this is not the boat/life style/adventure for them. It can be a very expensive lesson. For example, I have one friend who purchased a very expensive large express cruiser and used it for about 2 months before he realized his mistake. This will cost him over $200,000 in depreciation. Another person basically blew most of his retirement funds on various boats, chasing the fantisy and didn't have property ashore, missing the real estate bubble.

I started following cruisers in the early 60's when I started making medical kits for ocean voyages and I was living aboard a sail boat. In 1982 when we left on a 4 year voyage, we followed 20 boats who had similar plans. Out of these, 3 boats wre the only folks who reached their goal. Two boats were lost, they purchased a second boat and both continued to sail--and still are on these boats. We completed our 4 year voyage to Europe and back. In the other 17 boats, there were 6 divorces. Three left the boats to be sold at some remote place--which cost them mega bucks (Like Panama and Tahiti). The remainder gave up after 3 months to a year and either sold the boat, or had it professionally delivered back to the point of origin on the West Coast. (All of these were boats which had "survived" the Cabo Storm in Dec 1982, so it does not include the 28 boats lost at Cabo San Lucas.)

Look at all of the options--we agree on that. Take rides in each boat you are considering. Look very carefully at the furniture (built in or loose) and see how comfortable it is to sit for several hours. Buying a semi live aboard trawler or any type of boat is a major investment and takes a lot of research. A Trawler Fest is a good place to start.
 
Yes, I'm familiar with attaching furniture to keep it from moving, but that's not always straightforward.

Romsdal (also sometimes Romsdahl) and Malahide are good examples. My previous trawler was a Romsdahl - steel hull, aluminum superstructure, and built for ice - but you're talking a very specialized animal now. Take a look at George Buehler's Diesel Duck cruisers...I couldn't get my wife to spend more than 30 seconds on one of those - not her idea of livability at all. <smile>

I also am quite familiar with the "dream" of passagemaking not panning out. My father worked spent literally 10 years building an Ingrid 38 (William Atkin adaptation of a Colin Archer double-ender) in the back yard after first moving to a new home with a suitable backyard for the project) that never did see water.
 
I used to live aboard (a Holiday Mansion 37') for four years. It was great for on-the-dock living (and cheap! I was a LTJG in the Navy when I bought it) and good enough for cruising around the Potomac. But weekends out were tough, and forget about going to the Chesapeake. Just not seaworthy enough.

I spent a lot of time evaluating what my next live-aboard boat would be, although the "upgrade" never panned out. The ideal trawler, in my mind, for doing week or two cruises and living in comfort while doing so, is a Great Harbour 37.

http://www.mirage-mfg.com/html/gh37.html

To some, they're ugly as sin. But to me, in the same kind of "form follows function" that the C-Dory's have, they really are appealing. The slightly smaller and more affordable N37 is the same.

These are the ideal liveaboard trawlers in my mind, and have the legs to cruise anywhere you could ever need. I have met the gentleman who navigated a GH37 from Long Beach to Honolulu, and he spoke very higly of how well the boat handled in 15 foot waves. They are seaworthy indeed for a 37 foot boat.

The liveaboard and storage space is unmatched. Just another boat to consider if you're going to ditch a condo for a trawler. The "downside" is their max speed is 7 knots -- so you're not going anywhere in a hurry, but you're in total comfort while getting there.
 
The reaction to the Great Harbor 37 is mixed. One of the initial reviews was by Yacht Broker Judy Walderman, who, along with a marine surveyor terminated sea trials in an inlet before they got into the ocean because of their perception of the boat's handling problems.

The one which went to Hawaii, went from Enseneda Mexico and didn't clear into the US until at Hawaii. She was put on the market very shortly after arriving in Hawaii, and is still for sale, almost 4 years later. LShe has a rudimentary flying bridge.

Some folks love this boat. I have a friend who chartered one, and didn't like it. I would consider this boat as a "Florida cruiser"--basically an ICW boat.
 
I have been in touch with both delivary skippers and owners who have purchased the DD in China. I would have no problem working with Bill Kimley of SeaHorse Marine. The lowest prices are with local delivary in China. But delivary in china is a bit complex. It can be done but seems to take longer than you might expect, and then you face the weather problems which are common in the South China Sea. The boats used to be considerably less than comperable US bilt boats. With time,and the US delivary/commissioning, they do not appear to be the bargin they were several years ago. http://www.seahorseyachts.com/

I would be more likely to buy a fiberglass boat from SeaHorse Marine. There have been number of changes which have been done in the boats as the design evolves. Perhaps more interesting is another Beuhler boat: Idlewilde. http://www.trawlersandtrawlering.com/ne ... plete.html
 
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