vaccination

[Peter & Judy]

I got my Astrazeneca vaccine on Thursday. Everything was very efficient and I was back in the car 25 minutes after arriving including the 15 minute wait. On Thursday I never felt a thing, Friday morning my arm was a little sore, but I felt quite tired all day, so I was glad to have an excuse to take the day off and laze about, although I did load two bison breeding bulls that I had sold to a new owner on his trailer. Saturday, I felt closer to 80% plus of normal. And today I am 100% with a sense of relief that this will be something in the rearview mirror for me someday soon.

 

[Barry Rietz]

MONOCLONAL ANTIBODIES: https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... UwMTkzMQS2

 

[smckean (Tosca)]

Monoclonal-antibody therapy is not unique to COVID. Barry, forgive me if you already understand this, but in case you don't, monoclonal-antibody production mimics in a "test tube" what your body does naturally when your body produces antibodies to battle an infection in your body. Basically, taking the vaccine does the same thing in your body (produce antibodies) that monoclonal-antibody production does in a lab.

Problem is that monoclonal-antibodies are very expensive to produce and cumbersome to administer (one has to be in a hospital and infuse the monoclonal-antibodies into your system). You'd have to be crazy to refuse to take the vaccine thinking that if you get COVID they could treat you with a monoclonal-antibody therapy.

OTOH, if you happen to be someone who has not yet been protected by the vaccine, and you get COVID, then monoclonal-antibody therapy would be a good option for you since the vaccine is then nearly useless to you; however, you need to get the monoclonal-antibody therapy early enough, you have to be in the hospital, and you have to be able to afford it. Basically, the vaccines have obsoleted this monoclonal-antibody therapy unless you catch COVID before you get vaccinated or you can't tolerate the vaccine for some reason.

 

[rogerbum]

Monoclonal-antibody therapy is not unique to COVID. Barry, forgive me if you already understand this, but in case you don't, monoclonal-antibody production mimics in a "test tube" what your body does naturally when your body produces antibodies to battle an infection in your body. Basically, taking the vaccine does the same thing in your body (produce antibodies) that monoclonal-antibody production does in a lab.

Problem is that monoclonal-antibodies are very expensive to produce and cumbersome to administer (one has to be in a hospital and infuse the monoclonal-antibodies into your system). You'd have to be crazy to refuse to take the vaccine thinking that if you get COVID they could treat you with a monoclonal-antibody therapy.

OTOH, if you happen to be someone who has not yet been protected by the vaccine, and you get COVID, then monoclonal-antibody therapy would be a good option for you since the vaccine is then nearly useless to you; however, you need to get the monoclonal-antibody therapy early enough, you have to be in the hospital, and you have to be able to afford it. Basically, the vaccines have obsoleted this monoclonal-antibody therapy unless you catch COVID before you get vaccinated or you can't tolerate the vaccine for some reason.

One addition. Depending on the type of vaccine, the vaccine will do more than just produce antibodies. Vaccines can also induce specific T-cell responses that will help fight the virus. The mRNA vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) and the adenovirus vaccines (J&J + others) will also generate good T-cell responses. Both memory B-cells (cells that make antibodies) and memory T-Cells (cells that both help induce antibody responses and kill infected cells directly) are induced with good vaccines.

 

[TyBoo]

Sitting for 15 minute wait time after the Moderna shot. Haven’t grown any new appendages yet. Maybe the hair on my head will grow back.

 

[thataway]

In Pensacola there is "open" time in a church for anyone over 50 for the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. No appointment necessary.

Also on the drug front there is a promising drug: Pfizer’s oral protease inhibitor, code-named PF-07321332, can be given 2 x a day for 5 days at the first signs of infection. This drug is in 2nd phase study, shortly to go into 3rd phase. The big advantage is that it should be effective on variants, and is oral. Other protease inhibitors are given by infusion.

 

[hardee]

Bob, Thanks for that, Good to know there is an effective treatment in the pipeline.

For now, all those who do not get vaccinated are providing possible variant culture media that will keep the virus versions around.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

 

[Brewkid]

Numerous examples of trolling here on this topic... Passive aggressive comments attempting to lure another "I'm right, no, I'm right" rant.

Folks, if you have medical questions talk to your health care provider.

Maybe just enjoy your boat and boat topics on this site folks, sure would be nice to have at least one place free of b.s.

Best of luck gang.

R/
John
Scallywag.

 

[Gene&Mary]

Its pretty clear, given the number of pages in this thread, that a lot of folks find this topic interesting and worth posting on.

You have control of your mouse.

 

[Marco Flamingo]

It has not been a month since my second shot and the benefits are beginning to wear off. I told my wife that my reaction to the vaccine made me tired and lethargic. I didn't have the energy to sweep the kitchen or do any laundry. Reading all afternoon sitting in the recliner was all I could do. My arm was too sore to wash dishes. I need to be careful or my next reaction might be a lump on my head.

 

[Barry Rietz]

Shane Crotty, Phd on COVID-19 Vaccines:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK0C5tFHze8

 

[hardee]

The worst day of boating is better than the best day of working.
Sort of like
The worst reaction to the vaccine is better than the best day of Covid.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

 

[Foggy]

Monoclonal-antibody therapy is not unique to COVID. Barry, forgive me if you already understand this, but in case you don't, monoclonal-antibody production mimics in a "test tube" what your body does naturally when your body produces antibodies to battle an infection in your body. Basically, taking the vaccine does the same thing in your body (produce antibodies) that monoclonal-antibody production does in a lab.

Problem is that monoclonal-antibodies are very expensive to produce and cumbersome to administer (one has to be in a hospital and infuse the monoclonal-antibodies into your system). You'd have to be crazy to refuse to take the vaccine thinking that if you get COVID they could treat you with a monoclonal-antibody therapy.

OTOH, if you happen to be someone who has not yet been protected by the vaccine, and you get COVID, then monoclonal-antibody therapy would be a good option for you since the vaccine is then nearly useless to you; however, you need to get the monoclonal-antibody therapy early enough, you have to be in the hospital, and you have to be able to afford it. Basically, the vaccines have obsoleted this monoclonal-antibody therapy unless you catch COVID before you get vaccinated or you can't tolerate the vaccine for some reason.

COVID-19 MONOCLONAL ANTIBODY TREATMENT - FREE FOR MANY
https://www.medicare.gov/coverage/coron ... treatments

Medicare Part B (Medical Insurance) covers a COVID-19 monoclonal antibody treatment, if all of these apply:

You tested positive for COVID-19.
You have a mild to moderate case of COVID-19.
You’re at high risk of progressing to a severe case of COVID-19 and/or at high risk of requiring hospitalization.

Your costs in Original Medicare: You pay nothing for this treatment during the COVID-19 Public Health Emergency when you get the treatment from a Medicare provider or supplier.

What it is: This FDA-authorized treatment involves an infusion of monoclonal antibodies (specifically bamlanivimab, or casirivimab and imdevimab) to treat COVID-19. Health care providers can only administer the infusions consistent with the FDA’s requirements in specific facilities.

A recent MSNBC report indicates some states have a large supply of the stuff
which is not being used because it is not being requested.

Words matter.
Aye.

 

[forrest]

The worst day of boating is better than the best day of working.
Sort of like
The worst reaction to the vaccine is better than the best day of Covid.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

I don't know about that one Harvey. I'm a long time blood donor to the American Red Cross. They informed me back in December that I had covid antibodies in my last blood donation. I had zero symptoms and was not aware that I had covid. I got my first Moderna shot last weekend and was sick for two days with chills, fatigue, headache and muscle pain. It's all good now though.

 

[kennharriet]

I have a close friend who is a first responder in the EMS field. As such she was able to receive the vaccine in January. Unfortunately she has had a severe reaction. She has been incapacitated and unable to function in daily life since then. She is an extreme athlete and has been been able to participate in the most arduous activities before. Doctors have confirmed she has never had COVID but confirmed that the vaccine is causing her health problems. If a person is healthy, they really need to do some serious risk management before exposing themselves to a experimental biological agent. Personally, I have taken the vaccine without adverse effects, not for personal health reasons but more for others to feel good around me in the workplace environment.

 

[smckean (Tosca)]

Doctors have confirmed....that the vaccine is causing her health problems

How did they actually do that? I would think it would be extremely difficult to eliminate other possible causes. But since they know the vaccine is at fault, I presume the doctors know the medical pathology (the microbiology) of what element was in the vaccine that caused the reaction, what parts of her body are damaged, as well as the physiological pathway by which the tissue damage was caused. (That is, along the lines of how we can know that: so and so had a heart attack...because plaque built up in this person's blood vessels that supply his/her heart muscle...which caused that muscle to die due to a lack of nutrients and oxygen...which in turn caused the heart attack.)

 

[thataway]

Ken, what vaccine did your friend receive? Did she get the second dose (no one dose vaccines were available to the public in January)? Was she having symptoms after the first dose?

If she is having severe residual symptoms this would be most unusual--and I would hope that there are some contacts from CDC who are collecting samples and following the case. It is difficult to say XXX is caused by YYY in most cases, with solid proof. For example excessive clotting, and thrombocytopenia have both been attributed to various vaccines--but in reality there is not "proof" that these conditions are and the definitive ruling has been that these conditions are not related to the vaccine. All of us can have a debilitating disease strike suddenly at any time, even though we are healthy. (Not doubting your friend's illness, but making the point, that it could be co-incidental.)

I hope your friend recovers quickly and can go back to her normal activity.

My grandson has COVID. He was exposed about 10 days ago by recording a brass instrument player in his "garage band studio". He says he was wearing a mask, but of course the brass instrument player was not. We do know that this instrumentalist was diagnosed with Covid the day after the recording.

My grandson was due to get his first dose of vaccine Friday, and leave to tour a college in New Orleans today (Saturday). He is 17 years old and has had symptoms and a low grade fever for over a week. His initial antigen test was negative, but 4 days later it was positive as is his PCR. Children can and do get covid--and can pass it on.

I got the COVID 19 for a very selfish reason: I don't want to die, especially a horrible respiratory death as comes with mortality from the COVID 19 infection! I still mask when possible. I have broken some of the precautions since it is now almost 2 months since my second vaccination.

 

[Scuppers]

I have a close friend who is a first responder in the EMS field. As such she was able to receive the vaccine in January. Unfortunately she has had a severe reaction. She has been incapacitated and unable to function in daily life since then. She is an extreme athlete and has been been able to participate in the most arduous activities before. Doctors have confirmed she has never had COVID but confirmed that the vaccine is causing her health problems. If a person is healthy, they really need to do some serious risk management before exposing themselves to a experimental biological agent. Personally, I have taken the vaccine without adverse effects, not for personal health reasons but more for others to feel good around me in the workplace environment.

Why in the world would you post that drivel? You take the vaccine for two reasons. To protect your health, and to help control the global pandemic that has killed millions, and that will continue to mutate into potentially disastrous variants, untill enough people have antibodies to terminate the transmission. Do you think showing your hubris is useful?

 

[Hunkydory]

I have a close friend who is a first responder in the EMS field. As such she was able to receive the vaccine in January. Unfortunately she has had a severe reaction. She has been incapacitated and unable to function in daily life since then. She is an extreme athlete and has been been able to participate in the most arduous activities before. Doctors have confirmed she has never had COVID but confirmed that the vaccine is causing her health problems. If a person is healthy, they really need to do some serious risk management before exposing themselves to a experimental biological agent. Personally, I have taken the vaccine without adverse effects, not for personal health reasons but more for others to feel good around me in the workplace environment.

Why in the world would you post that drivel? You take the vaccine for two reasons. To protect your health, and to help control the global pandemic that has killed millions, and that will continue to mutate into potentially disastrous variants, untill enough people have antibodies to terminate the transmission. Do you think showing your hubris is useful?

Skuppers, in my opinion your defining Ken’s post as drivel & personal hubris connects hubris much more to you, then him. His is a personal opinion without rancor, whether right or wrong & from his own experience & shared by many. Unlike Bob & Sandy’s response your personal attack was not complementary to the rest of your point.

Jay

 

[NORO LIM]

I have a close friend who is a first responder in the EMS field. As such she was able to receive the vaccine in January. Unfortunately she has had a severe reaction. She has been incapacitated and unable to function in daily life since then. She is an extreme athlete and has been been able to participate in the most arduous activities before. Doctors have confirmed she has never had COVID but confirmed that the vaccine is causing her health problems. If a person is healthy, they really need to do some serious risk management before exposing themselves to a experimental biological agent. Personally, I have taken the vaccine without adverse effects, not for personal health reasons but more for others to feel good around me in the workplace environment.

Why in the world would you post that drivel? You take the vaccine for two reasons. To protect your health, and to help control the global pandemic that has killed millions, and that will continue to mutate into potentially disastrous variants, untill enough people have antibodies to terminate the transmission. Do you think showing your hubris is useful?

Skuppers, in my opinion your defining Ken’s post as drivel & personal hubris connects hubris much more to you, then him. His is a personal opinion without rancor, whether right or wrong & from his own experience & shared by many. Unlike Bob & Sandy’s response your personal attack was not complementary to the rest of your point.

Jay

1. Anecdotal accounts should not be the basis for making choices about responding to a pandemic.
2. Referring to these vaccines as "experimental biological agents" is not helpful.
3. Referring to someone's well-intentioned posting as "drivel" is not helpful.
4. Pay attention to what Dr. Bob, and other's who have at least some grasp of the issues involved, have to say.
5. Adopt Jay's attitude.
6. Peace out.