Has anyone installed a Wabasto heater in a CD 22, or other boat for that matter? I don't need a cooking surface but could use some heat in the colder months for our 22 Angler. The Wabasto seems compact and well designed, but I'd love input before shelling out the $2K plus unit cost. Thanks, Mike.
wabasto heaters
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As of today I just finished installing one on my boat, I also wanted the heater without having to start my generator. We used sleeping bags when we drop the hook in a bay for the night but to have a heater that I can duct the heat where I want it was great, I have not had a chance to hit the water with it but I will soon, but so far it will heat the vee birth and gally to 75 in a heart beat.
Jim
Jim
:beerRob & Karen
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Mike,
We put in a Wallas 1300 and have been very happy with it. There are some pictures in our album.
Rob
We put in a Wallas 1300 and have been very happy with it. There are some pictures in our album.
Rob
We have had a webasto heater in C-Cakes for three years and are almost completely happy. Our only quibbles are that it can be noisier than a Wallas and that you have to be sure the battery is fully charged if you are going to use it overnight when the temperature is around freezing. If the battery voltage drops too low the Webasto will not cycle fuel. On the plus side, it heats the whole boat very well and quickly, it has ducted heat so the heat goes where you want it, and it is thermostatically controlled so we can set it for say 65 degrees and the cabin will stay at about that temperature day or night. I don't know anything about lack of use affecting it. Ours has sat for as long as four months with no use and works fine when turned on.
I have had Espars on a couple boats and they are good heaters. The only complaint I had was when the mother board goes out you can't repair them. You buy a new board at about $500. I found a guy from Boeing that could have repaired it for me if I could have supplied him with the logic but Espar wouldn't give up the logic.
The Webasto and Espar heaters are fine, if expensive, products. Their use on school buses and like applications speaks for itself.
Be sure to size the heater carefully, you don't want one that's oversized on heater output, as it will cycle on and off constantly. Better to have a smaller one that can stay on most of the time. The cycling will drive you crazy and wear out the heater faster.
As far as the differences between the Webasto/Espar heaters and the Wallas, I'm going to hazard a guess w/o spending the morning fully researching the subject.
The Wallas is a "drip pot" design, meaning diesel fuel is dripped into a hot combustion pot which vaporizes it. (Heating up this pot to vaporize the fuel is what initially takes a lot of amps to start the heater.)
The Webasto/Espar designs, by contrast, inject and vaporize diesel fuel through w hot grid into a combustion chamber, much like the space heaters designed for shop use that look like tank-type vacuum cleaners from 1952, except that they have externally vented exhausts, a heat exchanger/circulation-blower, and electronic controls designed by the NASA and Wallas boys.
Webasto heater
Me, I'm still trying to figure out why we just don't put in a wick powered kerosene lamp/heater with a long metal chimney to let out the heat on the way to the cabin top and some 12-v computer fans to move the air around. But I guess that wouldn't be doing my part to help drive up the discrepancy in the foreign trade balance of payments department.
So I'll just have to stick with my Force 10 Cozy Cabin Propane heater for the time being.
Joe. :teeth :thup
Be sure to size the heater carefully, you don't want one that's oversized on heater output, as it will cycle on and off constantly. Better to have a smaller one that can stay on most of the time. The cycling will drive you crazy and wear out the heater faster.
As far as the differences between the Webasto/Espar heaters and the Wallas, I'm going to hazard a guess w/o spending the morning fully researching the subject.
The Wallas is a "drip pot" design, meaning diesel fuel is dripped into a hot combustion pot which vaporizes it. (Heating up this pot to vaporize the fuel is what initially takes a lot of amps to start the heater.)
The Webasto/Espar designs, by contrast, inject and vaporize diesel fuel through w hot grid into a combustion chamber, much like the space heaters designed for shop use that look like tank-type vacuum cleaners from 1952, except that they have externally vented exhausts, a heat exchanger/circulation-blower, and electronic controls designed by the NASA and Wallas boys.
Webasto heater
Me, I'm still trying to figure out why we just don't put in a wick powered kerosene lamp/heater with a long metal chimney to let out the heat on the way to the cabin top and some 12-v computer fans to move the air around. But I guess that wouldn't be doing my part to help drive up the discrepancy in the foreign trade balance of payments department.
So I'll just have to stick with my Force 10 Cozy Cabin Propane heater for the time being.
Joe. :teeth :thup
Ron on Meander
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I just finished installing my Wallas 1800 last night. The install was fairly straight forward. I put it under the sink cabinet in the same position as some others have installed the Wallas 1300. I ran ducting to three locations, one, facing the aisle under the drivers foot step, another above the doors in the galley counter and one in the head. The vents are directional so I can turn them to blow the air in the direction I want it. IE: into the V-berth, up towards the windows, or down towards the cabin sole. I installed the control switch just below the trim tab switch to port of the steering wheel where it can be reached from the v-berth. We'll be able to turn it off or on when in the berth.
I chose to stick with the Wallas over the Espar or Webasto because of a number of reasons.
It uses less power, only 5 amps for five minutes on start up, and on about 1/2 and amp when running on high, this is quite a bit less than the Webasto or Espar.
It does not cycle on and off which I like, but it has a high and 1/2 speed. Its quiet, both inside and outside the boat. I've often heard people running their Espar heaters across an anchorage. You can't hear the Wallas outside the boat. Inside the 1800 fans are only about 1/2 as loud as the fan on the heater lid of my Wallas 125/95 DU.
I have both the 1800 and the 125/95 connected to the same fuel tank under the galley counter.
I have only run it for about 6 hours or so while working on the boat so I don't have any real world operation details yet, but it did warm the boat nicely from about a 5 degree C temp.(Approx 40F) I'll post some pictures when I get the construction zone in the boat cleaned up.
Oh yeah cost.. about $2000 all in. I did purchase it at the SBS which gave me 10% off though.
Ron
I chose to stick with the Wallas over the Espar or Webasto because of a number of reasons.
It uses less power, only 5 amps for five minutes on start up, and on about 1/2 and amp when running on high, this is quite a bit less than the Webasto or Espar.
It does not cycle on and off which I like, but it has a high and 1/2 speed. Its quiet, both inside and outside the boat. I've often heard people running their Espar heaters across an anchorage. You can't hear the Wallas outside the boat. Inside the 1800 fans are only about 1/2 as loud as the fan on the heater lid of my Wallas 125/95 DU.
I have both the 1800 and the 125/95 connected to the same fuel tank under the galley counter.
I have only run it for about 6 hours or so while working on the boat so I don't have any real world operation details yet, but it did warm the boat nicely from about a 5 degree C temp.(Approx 40F) I'll post some pictures when I get the construction zone in the boat cleaned up.
Oh yeah cost.. about $2000 all in. I did purchase it at the SBS which gave me 10% off though.
Ron
I thought long and hard about adding a heater...but just could not justify the costs or the hassle....it's just not that cold here....Susan wanted a heater for in the morning...so I bought a small generator and a small electric heater.... it will run fine on low...but not high...(only 1000watt generator)...hopefully that will be enough....
If that does not do it....I am going to do just what Joe on Sea Wolf said... I am going to build my own heater...build a small stainless steel heat unit with a wick and oil....and vent it up through the overhead with 1" stainless pipe... should not be any great engineering feat.... and if that does not work well enough... I will make one using a portable propane cylinder (I can refill those)...
Joel
SEA3PO
If that does not do it....I am going to do just what Joe on Sea Wolf said... I am going to build my own heater...build a small stainless steel heat unit with a wick and oil....and vent it up through the overhead with 1" stainless pipe... should not be any great engineering feat.... and if that does not work well enough... I will make one using a portable propane cylinder (I can refill those)...
Joel
SEA3PO
SEA3PO":vdl6iglt said:
GI Joes has Mr. Buddy heaters on sale for $70.
http://www.mrheater.com/productdetails_ ... d=41&id=24
The ad claims it can be used in a tent. I'm not sure about that but I am certain that my older model works well in concert with a 750 watt ceramic heater. It can heat a cabin very quickly, leaving the 750 watt heater to maintain desired heat. Underway, I've used a Honday 2k genny at cruise speed (25 mph) with no problems, unless it's raining. We just secure it in the cockpit with a cable chain and non skid mat and point the exhaust aft. Consequently, I've seen no reason to invest in red dot heat, Wallas, or other engine driven sources. We winter boat a lot. It's practically my favorite time to boat.
-Greg