What to look for in a C-Dory?

Hi all-

I'm new to the forum and to the world of the C-Dory. So far I am very impressed with both. :D I've poked around the forums for the last couple of days and still have several questions.

Specifically:
1a) What should I look for when looking at a used C-Dory?
1b) What should I look out for when looking at a used C-Dory?
2) Is there a place I can find a time line with model changes over the years?

Thank you for your patience with another new guy :wink:
-Randy
 
Randy;

Welcome to the C-Brats. I don't know if you got to the Juneau Rotary Boat Show last weekend, but it appears that we have a new C-Dory dealer in Juneau. Panhandle Powerboats (907) 723-2825 exhibited a Tomcat & a 22' Cruiser at the show.

I sent a separate email on your used boat questions. The C-Brats community is a great resource in finding the boat you want.

Brian & Helen Idzik
 
Randy-

To compile a complete list of what to look for would be a daunting task, so the best approach would be to let each member contribute a few or several ideas and hope that the complete thread would approach a full list of considerations.

I'll start with a few:

1. Hull: The C-Dory hulls are structurally very sound, and will last for lifetime if taken care of. However, here are some things to look for.

Look at the whole hull, but especially the transom and the joint between the cabin bulkhead and the gunnels for stress cracks. Very fine lines may indicate cracks in only the gelcoat, whereas larger ones you can get a thin coin into or larger often indicate structural damage to the fiberglass layers underneath.

What shape is the finish (gelcoat) in? Generally, oxidation can be rubbed out and polished. Scratches can be filled with gelcoat (a more difficult procedure) and buffed out.

What shape is the bottom of the hull in? Does it have bottom paint? Will it have to be refinished or repainted for your use? What will it cost?

2. How about exposed teak or other wood on the external and internal surfaces. Teak, such as on cabin top handles, can be refinished at some cost and labor, or simply replaced with new wooden handles. The internal Decragard (Formica like) plastic cabinet finishes (when present on older boats) can be refinished with urethane or other coatings. The rear door can be plastic (Starboard) or Decraguard. If the later, it can be refinished or painted with some effort.

3. What is the type, age, and condition of the motor(s)? The obvious best is to have a late model 4-stroke fuel injected motor of adequate horsepower to make the boat perform easily when fully loaded. An underpowered boat will be a pain to use, plus difficult to sell later. Carburetored 4-strokes are also good bets; just more difficult to start in very cold weather. 2-stroke motors are still serviceable, but less so if you are highly concerned with reliability such as for offshore use, and are not allowed on some inland lakes. How many hours are on the motor(s)? 2-cycle motors can have a lifetime of 600-1200 hours or more, whereas 4-strokes routinely last 2000 hours or more. The total price will definietly reflect the motor (s) on a used boat.

4. What type of electronics are on the boat, how old are they, and will they meet your needs?

Do you need the latest electronic technology for the way you will use the boat, or are some older units OK? Nothing on a boat depreciates faster than the electronics. New and more capable units are constantly evolving and outdating and gradually making obsolete the previous generation. If the electronics aboard will work for you, fine. If it all or partially has to be replaced, figure that into your cost equation. When boat dealers figure out the value of a used boat, they often assign $0 (zero) value to outdated or obsolete electronic components. The used boat price should reflect all of this.

5. Look at the wiring and batteries. Have they been kept up and serviced, or are they a mess and unreliable? Do you see any corrosion on wiring or terminals? A boat can be entirely rewired, but at considerable expense and only be a very competent person. What will it take to make the boat fully serviceable for your needs?

6. Try out all the electronics, appliances, lighting, plumbing, bilge pumps, etc. Do they all work, or what will it cost to fix or replace them? Does the boat have all the options you think you will need, or will you have to add them yourself, and at what expense?

7. Does the boat have a trailer? Single or dual axle? Is it painted, galvanized, or aluminum/stainless? How about the tires and brakes, including the actuator? Are the bunks and/or rollers in good shape? How about the lights? The winch? How much will you have to spend on making it roadworthy?

8. Does the boat have a Bimini top or complete cockpit enclosure? What shape is it in? How about a mooring or storage cover? Window covers? Will you have repair or replacement costs, or will you have to add some of these items?

9. Check out the anchor, bow roller, rode, and windlass, if so equipped. Will you have to repair or modify any of these items? Is there a second anchor and rode? How about mooring lines, etc? How about a boat hook and fenders?

10. Don't forget to evaluate the upholstery, seating hardware, and dinette condition. Are any repairs or replacements necessary? How about the sleeping cushions and arrangements? Is everything suitable and in good shape?

THREE OTHER POINTS OF ADVICE:

A. If you're unfamiliar with boats in general, or C-Dories in particular, take a "friend" along to help you evaluate everything. A person who has owned a similar boat for a year or more will put a real "PRO" in your corner that can spot things you'll easily miss. It's easy to find someone to help you out because it's fun for everyone! Just ask here!

B. Go to the "Forums" listed in the "Library" and look at the Market Place Reference to compare prices with previous ads asking prices. Do some homework!

C. Any really good C-Dory at a bargain price will be snapped up quickly. To be prepared, get you money or financing all lined up so you can act
ASAP! You should also already have decided how far you will be willing to travel and at what expense.

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Others will add specific caveats regarding certain C-Dory models, like watching for leaking bow rails and stem guards, but this should be a start for you.

Good Luck!

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
To add to Joe's complete answer.... if you are going to use the boat in the Alaska waters... particuarly if going larger than the hard-core CD22 to one of the larger CD's.... you may want to look at the load capacities of each vessel to ensure you can take the fuel, water, gear, and guest in a safe manner to those waters.

Welcome Aboard, and happy hunting for your used C-Dory!

Byrdman
 
Joe,

You've outdone yourself this time. I think your post should be archived as a template for any future inquiries. Great job!!

Peter
C-Dancer
 
All this information is GREAT! I knew most of it was probably in the archives somewhere, I just didn't know where to look. Thanks for the links and the email sent to me with additional info.

I'm hoping to take a look at a newer model 22' cruiser this weekend. I'll let you all know how it turns out.

Again, thanks for the great info (and keep it coming if there's more).

-Randy
 
Randy-

Have fun in your search, and good luck this weekend!

Peter-

Thanks for the compliment! I love to research these things! Would like to do a FAQ's (Frequently Asked Questions) summary for the sie, but that would be a real time consumer!

Randy and/or Bill or Mike:

It would be nice if we could insert "Used" and "Buying" into the title of this thread to help with finding it with the Search engine., e.g., "Buying a Used C-Dory: What to look for".

I think I was able to change the title of a thread once, being the author of it, but don't know if it's always possible.

That brings up the entire point about always making the title of these technical threads very accurate and complete regarding the content so that they can be researched later. Having a word unique to the content in the text like a brand name, e.g., "Permatrim" in also very useful.

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
One more thing to add to the list above:

Check around any screw holes, through-hulls, or cracks for water intrusion into the balsa wood core that is found in the bottom of the hull, and elsewhere, depending on the year model, like the foredeck or rooftop. The transom is also cored, but with plywood instead. You can tell if it's cored by the extra thickness of the total laminate, e.g., 3/4-2" instead of 3/16-5/16", for example.

Check that the screws or fittings are tight, and tap around the area with a small hammer to see if the sound indicates a soft spot. Check all over the transom and the bilge especially.

A small spot is easy to fix, a larger one much more work, and a wet transom a major project! The problem there is that the plywood is continuous (one big piece) over the entire transom, whereas the balsa core comes in little cubes that tend to isolate water intrusion or at least very much limit its spread from cell to cell.

If you think you have a major problem, pass on that boat or get a competent Surveyor with a moisture meter and the skill to assess the damage and estimate the repair costs.

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
Re: new vs. used, some things are changing in the marketplace. I agree with Joe that fairly priced and well-kept used C-Dory's have historically been snapped up quickly, but some very good used deals have been lingering on the market lately. Anything overpriced is not selling at all. I just noticed a posting from Wefings offering a new 2007 Cruiser, well equipped and with trailer, at a very favorable price. Some private sellers of late model used boats may still base their asking price on what they paid in better economic times, but a dealer presumably will very quickly adjust prices to market levels to move extra inventory out. While I've always favored buying used boats to save depreciation and get your rigging and outfitting thrown in, some very good deals exist in the new market. Mike.
 
Hey Everyone-

Thanks for all of the great advice. Unfortunately, I was given some bad intel by my brother-in-law. When I went to look at the boat, the guy was selling a C-Dory all right, just not the one under his boat cover :roll:

The 22' Cruiser for sale was actually and older model (classic) in pretty rough shape. It had been sitting in a boat yard for over a year, unprotected. Still asking $14K. I'm sure I could have got the price down, but then I would have had to repower, add updated electronics and put in several weekends worth of "sweat equity" to get the thing sea worthy. With all of that, I might as well wait until the right one comes along.

So, back to square one...

-Randy
 
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