Hi, All,
The link that Pat provided was only to message #2, in a series of 3 messages.
The other side of the story was presented in the third segment, and is presented here:
Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 4:47 am Post subject:
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Very well stated, WPHrEEK,
And some very good advice, as well.
What is missing here is the fact that for the past two years, I have been requesting that the ridiculing of Dale be discontinued, in the interests of moving forward.
What I was hoping for, was, at least privately amongst the earliest C-Brats, something like "OK guys, we've gotten our digs in, but let's move on".
Two years later, no such choice has been made on Admin's part.
And understandably so. They were hurt. But so was Dale. They absolutely refused to comply with Dale's request for discipline and organization on HIS website, and argued that he had no right to control their actions on a so called "public" forum.
Dale built one heckuva great website, based primarily on three things: A tremendous love for C-Dorys, a really well thought out and forward-thinking format, and a strong discipline to maintain that format, for the benefit of all future users. (And when Greg, Mike, and Bill went off on their own, that format was copied almost precisely).
Each time that Dale requested that the original Brats comply with the basic rules of his (privately managed) website, they thumbed their noses at him, made jokes and originated the "poobed" word by capitalizing on Dale's lighthearted "Grand Poobah" designation.
But that (understandably) is not included in any of the accounts of this debacle.
Once the BRATS (and I emphasize that word, because they chose it very deliberately) spun off, they ultimately got banned, for various reasons, all of which stemmed from them thumbing their noses at Dale, and deciding that he didn't have the right to run his website the way he wanted.
(Hence, the Policy Statement on my current C-DOG site).
The Brats started their site up, and I joined it, only to see the beginnings of Greg, Bill, Tyboo, and others have their little jokes at Dale's expense. It bothered me, and I let Admin. know, to no avail.
I had a conversation with Dale, and told him of some of the
unpleasant comments that were being joked about on the Brat site. He was deeply hurt, stated that he was just plain tired of this crap, and ultimatelyh pulled the plug on the C-DOG site.
At first, I was comfortable with having the C-Brats as my place for all my C-Dory interests, but when they continued to ridicule Dale, I chose to go off on my own.
Many folks were hurt by Dale's actions. Dale was equally hurt by folks who (seemed) to have no respect for the conventions that he set up on, what was at that time, the most visited boating website on MSN.
There are two sides to this story, and I'm 50% on Dale's side, and 45% on Admin's side. I'm saving that last 5% for when Admin can move on, and quit the insidious slams against Dale.
Thanks for your comments.....They were very well thought out, and very well stated.
Ken
I got hammered pretty hard for re-surfacing the subject, and rightfully so, but I'm grateful that I was able to present "The rest of the story", and I very much appreciate the fact that Bill and Mike have allowed me to have my say.
Since my side of the story is now out, I'm not only willing, but anxious to move on.
Ken
