when did the cabin size change on the Angler

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I am in the market to buy a 22 ft C-Dory Cruiser or Angler with the table/seat combination that makes into a bed. I noticed some of the earlier Anglers have a much smaller cabin than the later models. I saw a 2007 Angler this afternoon at a marina in Newport Oregon and it seemed to have the same cabin size as the Cruiser. At least it had the table/seat combination that made into a bed.

What year did the Angler get the larger cabin size?

Thanks,

Terry
 
Terry-

First of all, some terminology:

There is a lot of confusion here because many owners of the 1979-1986 Classic CD-22 call their boat an "Angler". The original boat was just a CD-22. Then, in 1987, the newer "Angler" and "Cruiser" models were introduced. All CD-22's since 1987 have been Anglers (short cabin) or Cruisers (long cabin). The pre 1987's are all properly referred to as "Classics" . To call them "Anglers", simply confuses the issue!


1. The older "Classic" CD-22's from 1979-1986 all have short cabins with a small settee on the port side that does not convert to a berth.

2. The 1987 and later "Anglers" have a short cabin that is much like that of the Classics: no convertible settee berth, just a small, short, settee. These boats have a large cockpit as a result of the short cabin.

3. The 1987 and later CD-22 Cruisers have a larger settee of the port side that converts into a single berth by lowering the table to the seat level. It is a tad over 6 feet in length, and wide enough for one adult. With a longer cabin, the Cruisers have a shorter cockpit than the Anglers.

4. All the CD-22's have a v-berth forward of the helm that will sleep two.

5. There are a few custom CD-22 Cruisers that have had bench seating or bunk beds installed by the factory or owners, but they are quite uncommon. Seeing one may add to the above confusion!

Thus, if you're looking for a full length convertible settee berth in addition to the v-berth in a CD-22, your one choice will be a 1987 or later Cruiser. (There's not enough room in an Angler or Classic to create a full length convertible settee berth.)

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
I might add that the converted settee is for a "small" adult. I found it is easy to break the flimsy table top because of flimsy undersupport on my 2007 22. I'm re-engineering the design this winter. When I use the word small, I'm not necessarily talking weight, but that the birth is very narrow as well as quite short, even at 6 feet making it a bit dicey for anyone who likes to spread out even a little or who rolls around a lot during the night...like me.
 
Thank you both very much. That helps me a great deal. Looks like a Cruiser is what I need. I will modify the cabin bed in width when I find a C-dory in my price range.

Terry
 
potter water":vns3qpxj said:
I might add that the converted settee is for a "small" adult. I found it is easy to break the flimsy table top because of flimsy undersupport on my 2007 22. I'm re-engineering the design this winter. When I use the word small, I'm not necessarily talking weight, but that the birth is very narrow as well as quite short, even at 6 feet making it a bit dicey for anyone who likes to spread out even a little or who rolls around a lot during the night...like me.
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potter water-

Not to disagree, but……….

I'm 6' and 245 lbs, and sleep on mine exclusively! The table and support in my '87 seems rock solid!

I added an "egg crate" foam mat to the seat cushions, and built a flexible bedrail of lines (ropes) and shock cords along the aisle after adding anchor points with eye bolts fore and aft to attach it to.

Keeps me from rolling into the floor/hull/basement/bilge below at night!

Probably no tighter than a pipe berth on a navy ship or submarine, although for the price of a C-Dory, some would think an owner should expect more. Not to mention we're not 20 some years old any more! :lol:

Does your dog like to sleep with you? Hopefully, he/she is small! My Great Danes have slept in the v-berth, but Pepper, my 30 lb. Jack Russell/Fox Terrier cross, is a great foot warmer! :lol:

Good jawin' with ya'!

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
Well, my wife wouldn't like to be called a dog, but she is the only other warm blooded creature on Still Crazy. I like the idea of the safety line along the side of he berth. That is one issue that I think would make sleeping there a bit less worrisome. It is a pretty good drop to the cabin floor. So far, I've been able to get along with my spouse in the V berth just fine, so I will probably not do much to improve the comfort of the converted settee. However, the table and its underbracing will be re-engineered to something less likely to break under the load of my own big rear end when in the berth mode someday.
 
The table support on newer CD's is a really robust adjustable post made by Todd. The thing is some sturdy. The first time I tried to make the table go down to make a day lounger, the post wouldn't go down all the way. After a bit of fiddling I found the post was sitting on a can of tuna in the
food locker under the dinette. Moved that and presto bunk made. very rigid on the locked post and teak rails on the seats.
 
According to what I am reading, any C-D that is built after 1987 that has a 6 ft. convertible bed in the cabin is a cruiser. I was at South Marina in Newport, OR yesterday and stumbled across a 2007 C-D Angler with the owner there. He told me he slept on the convertable bed at times. How much shorter is that configuration than in the Cruiser?

Maybe his was a Cruiser and he just called it the Angler?
 
I have slept on the "converted" dinette--at 6'2" and 180 lbs, it was certainly "doable"--but remember that a good "sea berth" in a sailboat is 24 to 30 inches wide. If you are uncomfortable with a narrow bunk, then a "Lee Cloth" or "bunk board" might be in order.
 
For sure I would add some width to the berth for my fiance. The 6' 2" is not an issue for her. Probably a nice compy memory foam mattress and extension board.
 
All C-Dory 22's after 1987 have the exact same configuration from the helm bulkhead forward. The V-Berth is the same size.

The 22 Angler has a shorter pilothouse area, and the optional aft bulkhead and dinette option was available to enclose the helm area. That dinette is much shorter than the Cruiser dinette when laid down.

The Cruiser dinette runs the entire cabin length on a 22 cruiser, and is long enough for one person to sleep on (just over 6'). The Angler cabin is 2-3' shorter ( I don't have the exact measurement in front of me) so I can't imagine sleeping on a 4' dinette in a 22 Angler.
 
Matt Gurnsey":jog2chxy said:
All C-Dory 22's after 1987 have the exact same configuration from the helm bulkhead forward. The V-Berth is the same size.

The 22 Angler has a shorter pilothouse area, and the optional aft bulkhead and dinette option was available to enclose the helm area. That dinette is much shorter than the Cruiser dinette when laid down.

The Cruiser dinette runs the entire cabin length on a 22 cruiser, and is long enough for one person to sleep on (just over 6'). The Angler cabin is 2-3' shorter ( I don't have the exact measurement in front of me) so I can't imagine sleeping on a 4' dinette in a 22 Angler.
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The measurement from the outside of the cabin of the 1987 and later CD-22 Angler to the front v-berth bulkhead is 4' 5", four feet, five inches.

Same measurement of the CD-22 Cruiser is 6' 4", six feet, four inches.

Some internal cabin/settee length is lost on the thickness of the bulkhead, when present.

My 1987 Cruiser measurers 6' 2", six feet, two inches long at the settee berth, and is from 27 to 29 inches wide, measured variously at the cushions, table width, and truck cabin wall restrictions.

Some diagrams from a sales brochure:

http://www.c-brats.com//files/1997_c-do ... ochure.pdf

More clarification? Is your mother-in-law four feet five inches tall or less??? :lol:

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
Matt Gurnsey":32btj2qt said:
Would make a great berth for a large brred of dog, if you can keep them from snuggling with you in the V-Berth.
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Matt-

I have bad back and hip replacements, and have trouble getting into the v-berth, turning around, arranging bedding, etc.

As a result, I prefer to sleep on the converted settee, as noted before.

So my big dogs (Great Danes) have always had the v-berth for a Dog House!

My latest pooch, a little guy, as noted before, is my foot warmer in the settee.

Whatever works, I guess! :lol:

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
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