Which 5th wheel?

Westfield 11

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We are thinking of getting a fifth wheel trailer for doing some travelling. I know that folks here have been into the RV lifestyle long enough to have learned a few things and I have a couple of questions.

What are the good brands? We will be buying used and want something that we can occasionally use away from the RV park so it must be somewhat self contained. We will be towing with a F250 crewcab diesel with electric brakes.
 
We've had camping trailers but Jim TXSD has had a lot more including his current 5th wheel. I'm sure he'll chime in here once he comes in from a tour on the lake! Good luck in your hunt!

Charlie
 
Well, like Jim, I started out 5th wheeling in 1975 and sold my last one around 2004 and went to a Class C. With that truck you have almost unlimited choices and that's based on what you plan as an RV lifestyle. First decide if you will be living *in* or *out of* your rig. All of them can and will work for dry camping. Your limitation is length of time you can do it and that's based on your tankage capacity. For us it was always the grey tank that filled up first. Charlie on the other hand would probably fill the black tank first. :) Batteries can be recharged by the truck or a separate generator. Larger units have built in generators but we were never fond of them. They take up valuable storage and your truck bed can carry a very adequate generator if needed.

So if you're living out of - think small, one slide maximum. Simple is good because you're going to be traveling a lot, setting up and tearing down a lot. Under 30 ft.

If living in, multiple slides, long stays at RV campgrounds, 32 on up.

Lots of companies have gone under but it really isn't an issue when buying used because warrantys have expired and all of the "stuff" used to build it is readily available except maybe the slide mechanism itself. For me, Alpenlite has always been tops in the under 30 ft. class followed by Holiday Rambler. Jayco isn't bad either. Many others are quality brands - but I would personally stay away from Fleetwood products.

Your best source of info is the RV.NET 5th wheel forum.

It's been my experience that first time buyers never pick out what will REALLY fit their needs until they put about 15,000 miles on the thing. Simply because what they think they will need never coincides with real experience. Therefore you are way smarter than the average newbie by buying used and testing the waters.

Enjoy. We certainly did.

Don
 
Hi Westfield. You did not mention what year of F-250 you have. In any case, you need to check what your maximum towing weight is. Also be aware of your maximum gross combined (GCW). Unless your truck is almost brand new, your GCW will be in the 18 to 26k range depending on options and differential ratio. Don't forget to count all of those extra weight items in the truck or trailer like tools, fuel, generator, bikes, passengers, etc.

Just like w/ the boats, it is easy to overload your tow vehicle w/ the 5th wheels. Being a 3/4 ton truck, you could exceed your max combined w/ a fully optioned 32 or 34' fiver. You would very likely be over w/ 35+ unit w/ multiple slides. Just because some people do it does not make it safe. You will also dramatically lower the life of your vehicle components like differentials, drivelines, and transmissions.

You will want to remember that where you live, will require you to pull a substantial grade in hot weather going and coming from the north on I-5 and coming home from the north on 101. Not to mention trying to stop when some knot head (no boat pun intended) changes into your lane and then puts on the brakes in front of you somewhere in the Valley. :disgust

Been it, done it.

For me personally, I would not pull anything bigger than a 32 w/ one slide w/ my F-250. And I would be looking at nothing less than a 350 dually and ideally a 450 for the big fivers.

The biggest ones of those 5th wheels now tip the scales at over 15k pounds. No way in heck, w/ a 250. :cry
 
Yep, just got off "work"... another rainy day here in the mountains.

Well, our choice of a 5th wheel was NuWa. This is just opinion, but having owned a lot of different RVs, I have to say that NuWa stands alone in the way they construct their 5th wheels. Their use of Blue Dow Foam in the walls is an exclusive. It's a bit more expensive, but it gives better rigidity, better insulation, and no water absorption in the walls (which causes delamination). NuWa is one of the few manufacturers who builds for full time use - many other manufacturers will void your warranty if you use their product full time. Granted, you may not have any interest in full-timing, but they are built with a vented attic which reduces humidity in the coach. RVs hold humidity, similar to boats.

Here's a website: http://www.nuwa.com/

They also have an owners forum much like the C-Brats, with fanatical owners. The owner of the company and key employees often participate on that forum.

Other brands that we liked: Carriage, Excel, DRV (the Mobile Suites). Holiday Rambler was also on our short list at the time, but since their parent company (Monaco) went through bankruptcy, they don't seem to be offering their higher end models. The Canadian 5th wheel manufacturer, Titanium, was nice, but now also bankrupt. There are also some brands that would be the equivalence of Bayliner in the boating world; not to offend any owners, but Heartland, Keystone, and Jayco. Like Bayliner, Keystone is the #1 seller, but we found them to be flash over substance. Again, just my opinion. The Montana is the #1 selling 5th wheel (made by Keystone)... look under and inside the frame area. See how walls and roof are attached, and see how trim is used to hide joints.

The order of importance for us was: floorplan, construction, weight, manufacturer support. Checking owners groups on some of the above mentioned, no one has a C-Brat type group besides NuWa.

We have also owned a series of motorhomes. For going down the road, nothing beats a diesel pusher on a bus type chassis. I would have to go back to work (real work) to justify another motorcoach. We love our truck and decided to go with a towable this time; we picked the 5th wheel to match up with the truck. It tows wonderfully - I've driven in nasty winds and found the 5th wheel to be VERY well mannered. Once down, we have lots of room and a floorplan that works well for our use. Our living room is 14' wide, with an open living room/kitchen. An enclosed bath (you can also choose a walk through bath) and a super glide in the bedroom, allowing room for decent size night stands on both sides of the bed. A full length closet, room for a washer/dryer, Select Comfort mattress, leather recliners, free standing dinette, Corian® counters, an electric fireplace, hide-a-bed couch, etc, etc. It is very livable, and suits our wandering lifestyle.

If you think you will be boondocking (camping away from RV parks) and want to be self-contained, almost all 5th wheels can be ordered with a built-in generator. Otherwise, a good battery bank and a 2000 watt inverter will cover most situations.

I sure didn't mean for this to sound like I'm pushing the brand we bought. I did a BUNCH of research, include a trip to the factory to see how they are made before making our decision. Of course, you use and needs will vary. If you are looking at used units, besides the ones I mentioned above, Alpenlite and Travel Supreme are good units. Buying a used RV is not so different from buying a used boat... condition and care make a difference. Light use is less important than how a unit has been cared for and stored. The appliances used in most RVs are pretty similar.

Hope that helps.

Best wishes,
Jim B.
 
Judy and I just got settled in to our new digs in Astor, Fl. on the St. John's River. We thought we would be traveling around the country in our Keystone Sprinter 2003 -32 footer but after tolling it up from Naples (240 miles) I have already come to the conclusion that to hop around the country seeing the sights, I will be looking for something more along the line of a 19 ft. Scamp 5th'er.

Just as mentioned, we will be doing a lot of setup and take down on a daily basis so I can't see going to that much trouble with a larger rig. It will also allow me to pull over and see the sites that have a way of sneaking up on you.

And I consider myself lucky, it didn't take me 15,000 miles to figure that out.
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We also are considering a 5th wheel and have looked at several - and will be looking at more. We've been RV'ers since 1977 - always motorhomes, but kinda want to stop longer now, hence the 5th wheel.

We stopped at the Nu-Wa factory last week and found them to be very customer oriented. In the market today they have taken measures to try to stay in business, and from the looks of the production line they are succeeding. The main problem they are facing right now is getting components (A/C units, hitches, water heaters &etc) from sub contractors. The units they were producing that I looked at were very well thought out, and constructed.

We'll probably sell 'Fan-C-Dory' and go back to the RV, the 2 just don't mix for us - not enough time for both.
 
Papillon":3i0gc026 said:
I will be looking for something more along the line of a 19 ft. Scamp 5th'er.
And I consider myself lucky, it didn't take me 15,000 miles to figure that out.

LOL! It appears that we have similar goals while RV'ing, Mike. Mary sold her business in 1990 and we full timed for a year in an Alpenlite 29, taking a long break. Actual length of the rig - 31 ft. We downsized over the years, down to a 21 footer then back up to a 26 foot 5'er (our personal sweet spot), realizing we're "hoppers" not "nesters", prefer rear lounge type rigs because most views are out the back. I'm fully in synch with stopping at every unseen attraction "Tammy Tour Guide" (Mary) comes up with.

Eventually, elder care issues arose so we switched to a Class C motorhome since they're virtually ready to go in an instant and maximized our limited radius limited time needs. We chose a 23.5 ft. Lazy Daze (LD) and never looked back. I can park it in most any parking space (not some of the skinny CA ones though) it's designed primarily for boondocking, and has lots of windows. If we travel to family gatherings we tow our HHR so both of us have vehicles. Otherwise, it's perfect for our "reclining" years. Towing a 22 ft. C-Dory is well within it's capabilities too. Tammy's happy, and so am I. The LD has a "cult" following not unlike C-Dory Brats. Not one but three different forums online. One for the "Chatters" one for the "Techies" and one that covers the factory sponsored monthly gatherings.

We're totally looking forward to the day we can play our "take off" song: Willie Nelson's "On the road again."

Don
 
Papillon":337l4wb6 said:
Judy and I just got settled in to our new digs in Astor, Fl. on the St. John's River. We thought we would be traveling around the country in our Keystone Sprinter 2003 -32 footer but after tolling it up from Naples (240 miles) I have already come to the conclusion that to hop around the country seeing the sights, I will be looking for something more along the line of a 19 ft. Scamp 5th'er.

Just as mentioned, we will be doing a lot of setup and take down on a daily basis so I can't see going to that much trouble with a larger rig. It will also allow me to pull over and see the sites that have a way of sneaking up on you.

And I consider myself lucky, it didn't take me 15,000 miles to figure that out.
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Good luck on this next chapter, Mike and Judy. You're not content to be a two boat family, already planning on being a 2 RV family, too. :wink: Just like with boats, there's a "compromise" or balance on big enough vs easy.

Keep us posted!

Best wishes,
Jim
 
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We got our new home in Astor, Fl. setup on Sunday and are back in Naples for a finial week of packing and sorting out the loose ends. Looking foward to the next chapter in life and viewing the new horizons.
 
Looks like a nice "neighborhood", Mike! Congrats to you and Judy - hope the RV lifestyle suits you. See you down the road... or on the water. :D

Best wishes,
Jim
 
We are very experienced RV'ers (NOT) having acquired our fifth wheel a month or so ago and having been out all of two times! We are busy scouting potential spots within an easy (two hour) drive for weekend getaways. The old (1992) Ford F250 handles it great. Everybody needs two gas guzzling pickups, no? But the F250 was cheaper than buying a sliding hitch for the Titan, and we bought the fifth wheel and F250 as a package.

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This is the "disposable" RV, a 1991 Alpenlite 25+2 (27'), no slides. Very inexpensive, and it is clean and everything works. So far, we love it, it is just right for us, although Patty would like to be able to stand up upstairs.

When we grow up, though, I am hoping Uncle Don will leave me his Lazydaze Class C! I would like to be able to tow the CD16, not in the cards with the Alpenlite.
 
A few 5th wheel shopping tips here-
Boondocking - the cook needs either counterspace to work (virtually
non-existant in many models) or thr stuff to cook outside.
Everybody aboard needs a comfortable place to sit, sleep, and persue
activities.
Be sure the bathroom is accessable for quick stops. we actually looked at one trailer
that had to have the slide clear out to get into the bathroom! And make
sure the "head" area is wide enough!

The other Marcia
Still a c-Brat at heart
 
WOW!! You guys are great, what a crash course in 5th wheeling! There is a lot to think about here and I will need some time to figure out what is best for us. Thanks again.
 
After reflecting upon what has been posted here I have a couple of questions:

How long does it take to cycle a slide? Is there something about the procedure that makes it difficult or such a hassle that one would not want to do it every evening when traveling?

What do you do about storage of dirty items like bicycles, BBQ's, tools, etc.

How much generator is needed to run a couple of a/c units? Will a pair of Honda 1000's or 2000's in the truck bed be enough if the unit does not have one built-in?

Is it possible to buy some sort of lockable storage for the sides of our truck bed, like for generators? We have a 2000 F-250 2wd diesel Crewcab shortbed, the back seat is removed and we have a carpeted platform installed for our 2 German Shepherds with some storage in drawers underneath. But I would like to carry some oversize stuff too, does this mean a rack on the truck cab or on the fifth wheel?
 
My opinion based on a few bitter experiences. If you need a "couple of A/C units" you're rig is probably too big for that truck. One 3kw generator is sufficient for A/C or microwave but likely not simultaniously. Two parallel Honda 2000i generators will handle it all too. Think quiet. Most parks have quiet hours that preclude breakfast coffee off a generator. :(

Not a big hassle to cycle a slide every evening while traveling. Not a huge hassle to cycle a slide at a rest stop either. Quick whiz stops definitely get old if your rig does not allow easy access to the bathroom and you have to extend the slide to get access. Early slide equipped 5'ers were notoriously inconvenient with a closed slide. Just remember to stay away from trees and falling leaves. Pretty much have to ensure the slide roof is clear of debris before closing. Some newer ones have awning like devices to help you.

Bicycles usually end up hanging off the rear of the rig. Either by using a bike rack to a 2" receiver YOU get welded on, or a ladder mount. Dirty "stuff" like tools and grills go in a designated dirty storage in one of the rig's basement storage bins. Dirty clothes - one of our rigs had a trap door leading to a basement storage bin. Instant hamper. Otherwise, think big black plastic bag, truck bed or behind the front seat or maybe in the front storage bins. Creativity rules in that department.

There are cross-the-bed storage bins that fit the area between the front of the 5th wheel hitch and the front of the truck bed. NEVER EVER put anything that extends above the truck side rails. First time you go over a short hump while towing, you will understand the "why". Not pretty! You really do need 6" clearance minimum between the rail and the 5th wheel and if you intend to boondock, a little more helps.
 
Westfield 11 said:

How long does it take to cycle a slide? Is there something about the procedure that makes it difficult or such a hassle that one would not want to do it every evening when traveling? Had a tt (travel trailer) with a slide, took about 60 seconds to put out a 4' slide, not cumbersome for an every nighter.

What do you do about storage of dirty items like bicycles, BBQ's, tools, etc. There are usually outside storage areas or "basements" for large thingslike this. The cleaner ones can go under beds or cabinets inside. Most units have very good storage space for this purpose.

How much generator is needed to run a couple of a/c units? Will a pair of Honda 1000's or 2000's in the truck bed be enough if the unit does not have one built-in? Depends on how many. External ones can have many other uses but are louder if in a campground. A Honda 2000 will probably run one 12000 BTU ac unit. Do some research or read other forums on this site.

Is it possible to buy some sort of lockable storage for the sides of our truck bed, like for generators? We have a 2000 F-250 2wd diesel Crewcab shortbed, the back seat is removed and we have a carpeted platform installed for our 2 German Shepherds with some storage in drawers underneath. But I would like to carry some oversize stuff too, does this mean a rack on the truck cab or on the fifth wheel? Again, do some research. All kinds of lockable storage available for a truck bed but remember that with a 5th wheel, you need room in the bed for things to swivel when turning sharply.

But then, this is a boat site, not an RV site. Good luck.

Charlie
 
Captains Cat":3iiclnpg said:
But then, this is a boat site, not an RV site. Good luck.

Charlie

Indeed, Charlie. The place to ask those questions about fifth wheel operation, maintenance, types, brands etc., is at the RV.NET fifth wheel specific forum.

Don
 
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