Will it rain in Southern California?

Sneaks

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Well, the Emergency Response community thinks so:

“Get ready. This is what the emergency response community is saying (courtesy of Ken Coale - Oceanographer, Moss Landing Marine Lab ):
Currently, the strong El Nino is reaching its peak in the Eastern Pacific, and now finally appears to be exerting an influence on our weather. The strong jet has been apparent for quite some time out over the open water, but the persistent block had prevented it from reaching the coast. Now that the block has dissolved completely, a 200+ kt jet is barreling towards us. Multiple large and powerful storm systems are expected to slam into CA from the west and northwest over the coming two weeks, all riding this extremely powerful jet stream directly into the state. The jet will itself provide tremendous dynamic lift, in addition to directing numerous disturbances right at the state and supplying them with an ample oceanic moisture source. The jet will be at quite a low latitude over much of the Pacific, so these storms will be quite cold, at least initially. Very heavy rainfall and strong to potentially very strong winds will impact the lower elevations beginning late Sunday and continuing through at least the following Sunday. This will be the case for the entire state, from (and south of) the Mexican border all the way up to Oregon. Above 3000-4000 feet, precipitation will be all snow, and since temperatures will be unusually cold for a precipitation event of this magnitude, a truly prodigious amount of snowfall is likely to occur in the mountains, possibly measured in the tens of feet in the Sierra after it's all said and done. But there's a big and rather threatening caveat to that (discussed below).Individual storm events are going to be hard to time for at least few more days, since this jet is just about as powerful as they come (on this planet, anyway). Between this Sunday and the following Sunday, I expect categorical statewide rainfall totals in excess of 3-4 inches. That is likely to be a huge underestimate for most areas. Much of NorCal is likely to see 5-10 inches in the lowlands, with 10-20 inches in orographically-favored areas. Most of SoCal will see 3-6 inches at lower elevations, with perhaps triple that amount in favored areas.
This is where things get even more interesting, though. The models are virtually unanimous in "reloading" the powerful jet stream and forming an additional persistent kink 2000-3000 miles to our southwest after next Sunday. This is a truly ominous pattern, because it implies the potential for a strong Pineapple-type connection to develop. Indeed, the 12z GFS now shows copious warm rains falling between days 12 and 16 across the entire state. Normally, such as scenario out beyond day seven would be dubious at best. Since the models are in such truly remarkable agreement, however, and because of the extremely high potential impact of such an event, it's worth mentioning now. Since there will be a massive volume of freshly-fallen snow (even at relatively low elevations between 3000-5000 feet), even a moderately warm storm event would cause very serious flooding. This situation will have to monitored closely. Even if the tropical connection does not develop, expected rains in the coming 7-10 days will likely be sufficient to cause flooding in and of themselves (even in spite of dry antecedent conditions).
In addition to very heavy precipitation, powerful winds may result from very steep pressure gradients associated with the large and deep low pressure centers expect ed to begin approaching the coast by early next week. Though it's not clear at the moment just how powerful these winds may be, there is certainly the potential for a widespread damaging wind event at some point, and the high Sierra peaks are likely to see gusts in the 100-200 mph range (since the 200kt jet at 200-300 mb will essentially run directly into the mountains at some point). The details of this will have to be hashed out as the event(s) draw closer.
In short, the next 2-3 weeks (at least) are likely to be more active across California than any other 2-3 week period in recent memory. The potential exists for a dangerous flood scenario to arise at some point during this interval, especially with the possibility of a heavy rain-on-snow event during late week 2. In some parts of Southern California, a whole season's worth of rain could fall over the course of 5-10 days. This is likely to be a rather memorable event. Stay tuned.”

Gak, if I wanted to live in a shower stall I'd move to Seattle....

Don :sad
 
Sneaks":244orxnn said:
Gak, if I wanted to live in a shower stall I'd move to Seattle....
Don :sad

:note "The Bluest Skies You've Ever Seen Are In Seattle" :note

I even saw some blue sky here today. :smiled
 
^^^^^Seriously, Dave? :? Nothing but rain...rain...rain down in Seattle all day today; I worked in it. I even had to break out the Gore-Tex b-ball cap. The winds were up too. Lots of urban flooding, downed tree calls etc. Ah....winter. :roll:
 
localboy":1lmps756 said:
^^^^^Seriously, Dave? :?

Yep, seriously! I walked out of Costco at Smokey Point and looked up to the west and there was a pleasant opening of blue sky. It was probably that elusive patch of blue that hovers over Sequim where they don't recieve rain.
 
I just viewed the photos that Warren took of the car on fire that rear ended him today. It is proof positive that it was SUNNY in Anacortes today.
 
In short, the next 2-3 weeks (at least) are likely to be more active across California than any other 2-3 week period in recent memory. The potential exists for a dangerous flood scenario to arise at some point during this interval, especially with the possibility of a heavy rain-on-snow event during late week 2. In some parts of Southern California, a whole season's worth of rain could fall over the course of 5-10 days. This is likely to be a rather memorable event.

This sounds unsettling. We don't get rain much, but when we do.... yikes. From the sound of it we may be looking at another series of events as we saw some years back, causing massive damage -- including the collapsing of hillsides onto homes -- trees damaging houses -- the usual slew of traffic accidents (when it rains in LA there is no traffic -- just a massive stoppage of traffic). But, we need to water -- so I'll move the kids away from the west facing windows and caulk the doors and windows.

The La Conchita slide from 2005 -- leaving a family buried in their home -- makes the point. The infrequent rain cycle means that every major series of storms has little established flood paths, and our propensity to build in flood plains or unstable zones (like on or below hillsides), and our frequent wild fires, creates the likelihood of some real problems.

Thanks for the heads-up Don,

Matt
 
Trying to keep this thread hijacked here: :oops:

".....and looked up to the west and there was a pleasant opening of blue sky. It was probably that elusive patch of blue that hovers over Sequim where they don't recieve rain."

DaveS: Go west young man, go west :wink :mrgreen:

Mark: Skwim, is what the locals call it, Seeeeekwim is the only way Google on the phone can find anything here. :roll:

Google Info on the Phone: 1-800-466-4411 for voice activated yellow pages with free connection. (But you have to learn to talk funny -- phonetically). You're welcome :)

Harvey
SleepyC :moon
 
HA ! Sue and I are leaving for Louisiana in the morning...the rain is not supposed to be here until the afternoon.... we be gone !
Hopefully we can stay ahead of it...

Joel
SEA3PO
 
Yup, two seasons in California, either the hills are on fire, or they are sliding into the valley... I expect news about Haiti to be displaced by flooding and avalanches in California...

denny-o - in flat, boring, meeeshegun
 
Wll, I've lived in and around San Diego off and on since 1972 and so far this week, there have been several short downpours that exceed anything I can remember.

Between the mudslides, the downed eucalyptus trees and the washed out streets, it's starting out with a bang. One 100+ ft. tree landed on three mobilehomes, crushing one resident. Folks don't top the trees like they should.

Unfortunately we have two more storms out there that are packing more wind more rain and the potential for way more damage than the first two. They should hit us at the end of this week.

We're not in a low area so the only thing that might affect us is a power outage. Generator is at the ready....

I think the folks up in LA are in worse shape.

Don
 
So far so good in Ventura. My kids report quite the cracking thunder around noon. The swell was substantial, with up to 15' breakers expected at Ventura Harbor and other west facing shorelines.

Video of Ventura Pier getting whacked. The breakwater you see getting clobbered is the Harbor.

I commute between Ventura and Northridge (northwest Los Angeles) about 60 miles each way. Traffic was fine -- nothing horrible yet. So, we'll see what tomorrow brings.

Strange LA weather reported by the LA Times:

A powerful storm that hit the Southern California coast this afternoon caused at least one tornado, four waterspouts and winds of up to 90 mph, according to the National Weather Service.

"We have everything going today," said weather service spokesman Bill Hoffer.

Officials are bracing for another big storm Wednesday and announced the evacuations of more than 500 homes in La Crescenta, La Cañada Flintridge and other communities hit by Station fire. Those evacuations are supposed to start Wednesday morning.

Long Beach, Seal Beach, San Pedro and Huntington Beach were hit hardest by the fast-moving storm, which flooded streets, damaged homes, produced hail and ice and stranded cars on the 710 Freeway.

Witnesses reported seeing a tornado touch down in Sunset Beach and lift boats out of the water as it came onshore, sheriff's officials said.

Sheriff's deputies were responding to reports that a tornado or waterspout had touched down near Anderson Street and Pacific Coast Highway, lifting several catamarans 30 to 50 feet in the air, according to Orange County Sheriff's Department spokesman Jim Amormino.

Scott Seaton, 60, is the manager of the Peter's Landing Marina in Huntington Harbour. He said he was in the office with his wife when they got a computer warning that a tornado warning had been issued.

He said they watched out the window as the "cyclone," as Seaton described it, passed over their building and touched down in the marina. It stayed there for a while before moving down the marina, getting stronger.

At one point, Seaton said, it picked up a 40-foot catamaran and twirled it several feet in the air. The catamaran dropped back into the water on top of another boat.

There was damage to that catamaran as well as a small whaler.

"It was just amazing watching that thing dance up in the air," he said of the catamaran. "As quick as it came it was gone. I can't even imagine seeing a monster one because this thing seemed so powerful," Seaton said of the funnel cloud. "When it came, it was just 'boom.' It was just unbelievable."
 
so will you be commuting in the Tortuga if the storms keep rolling in? Thats got to be a brutal commute.
good to hear things are well so far.
 
so will you be commuting in the Tortuga if the storms keep rolling in?

No way... too many crazy drivers! Don't want to scratch my baby. I'll take my chances in the Taurus.

Some interesting pics off the LA Times website:

"A catamaran is askew on a dock in the Huntington Harbour area, which a tornado reportedly passed through."
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"Waves crash into the Ventura Pier, which officials closed for public safety reasons. The surging surf loosened a piling, but the pier remains structurally sound, a city official said."
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"Waves crash into the protective wall behind homes on Pacific Coast Highway between Faria Road and Solimar Beach Road as high tide and large swells created heavy surf conditions while a second storm hit Southern California this week." (This is a few miles north of Ventura)
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:shock: :cry: Ahh, the sounds of Stihl resonating through the night. as Eucalyptus trees, never properly topped, get converted to firewood and cleared from the roads.

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Glub glub - There are moments that take me back to Submarine days. Yup, at times it's coming down worse than I can ever remember, and mixed with hail, lightning, thunder and flash flooding. Even our fearless Schnauzer is getting nervous.

This is bad, Brats. The only good for me anyway, is that I don't have to be out there with the Emergency Services, DOT, utility workers and every tree trimming company in the County.

I can only imagine what it's like in the hills surrounding LA and north. Highway 5 is closed over the grapevine and still there are idiots who try to ford low spots in their low slung vehicles all across SoCal. Sigh. SoCal natives under the age of 40 have never seen the likes of this storm, and it shows.

Don
 
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