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C-Ranger R25 tug - In the water
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Seaboldski
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Thanks, Fred and Robbin for posting the pics! As some of the folks who have one of the C-Ranger tugs on order, and who don’t live in the area, Lorraine and I are clamoring for any scraps of info we can get on it’s development. The boat is really taking shape and we think it’s looking great. To keep this thread going, I’ll throw these questions/comments/observations out there:
V-berth: This was the one major concern we had after viewing the partially completed hull at the SBS - is the v-berth large enough? That first pic in your album looks encouraging! The starboard console has been cut back to increase headroom while sleeping, max size possible two-piece filler cushion has been used, no piping on the cushions. Good, good, good! Now for the big question. Did anybody at the show actually try to get two full size adults in there to see if it works?
Consoles: The port side was lowered and the table was made smaller to add space to mount more “stuff”. The helm console now has an angled surface for the multi-function display with a top tray that provides partial shading. That optional teak steering wheel sure is sweet! Nice work, all of it.
Cockpit seating: For those that attended, was there any cockpit seating installed?
Cabin door: What do you think of the oval window (size and shape)?
Visibility from the helm: Do the cabin door and head block visibility aft, or doesn’t that look like a problem?
Folding mast: How difficult does it look to fold the mast with the raydome while underway? Can it be secured in the folded position for trailering?
We can’t wait to get up to see the boat ourselves. Hopefully we will get an update on the date of the much anticipated perspective owners sea trail soon.
Steve
V-berth: This was the one major concern we had after viewing the partially completed hull at the SBS - is the v-berth large enough? That first pic in your album looks encouraging! The starboard console has been cut back to increase headroom while sleeping, max size possible two-piece filler cushion has been used, no piping on the cushions. Good, good, good! Now for the big question. Did anybody at the show actually try to get two full size adults in there to see if it works?
Consoles: The port side was lowered and the table was made smaller to add space to mount more “stuff”. The helm console now has an angled surface for the multi-function display with a top tray that provides partial shading. That optional teak steering wheel sure is sweet! Nice work, all of it.
Cockpit seating: For those that attended, was there any cockpit seating installed?
Cabin door: What do you think of the oval window (size and shape)?
Visibility from the helm: Do the cabin door and head block visibility aft, or doesn’t that look like a problem?
Folding mast: How difficult does it look to fold the mast with the raydome while underway? Can it be secured in the folded position for trailering?
We can’t wait to get up to see the boat ourselves. Hopefully we will get an update on the date of the much anticipated perspective owners sea trail soon.
Steve
Hi Steve...... btw, thanx for your early pics from the SBShow of the hull.
Some thoughts from your points of question: I think the long, skinny, oval window in the cabin door looks odd. It does not match the general look of the boat. Also, when the door is locked open, it appears the wood part blocks alot of the aft view. So, maybe just a stock, rectangular window would be best. An almost solid glass door like the CD25 would allow the best view, but it kind of has a modern look to it.
I am used to a small houseboat with windows thru the head to allow best view backing in tight docking situations. While nice for backing, it is a pain every time one uses the head, to have to close three window shades. The extra windows and curtains/blinds are a pain to keep clean, and prevent other uses of four wall areas. The tiny cockpit window and no inside forward window would allow ease of privacy while using underway and allow lots of wall space for accessories. In rough seas, it is nice to be able to lean against a solid wall instead of a window... The large overhead, head hatch should allow great fresh air flow. So, while it may be a tossup to some, I lean more toward the windowless bulkhead. When windows are thru the head, being exactly behind the pilot, it is kind of a neck wringing thing to turn back and look thru. I think cleaning would be easier to leave the head compartment as is.
Having used a rear camera in a motorhome for years, and reading posts here on C-Brats about the inexpensive, tiny cameras, I am wishing C-Dory would just offer a rear camera option that could be projected by the C-80 or C-120 (which one will fit the console now?) would be a great thing.
Re: the bunk length, I am thinking one could add a pad in the step area for the tallest person's feet or head. My 6'4" son often just slept on a sleeping bag along the length of the floor in my old boat since no bunk fit him.
I am happy to see cleats just fwd and a beam the helm for quick lines, bumpers, etc.. I like the 'taupe' or 'ecru' ? treatment of exterior cabin base. It will look good with the green I am considering, but am not too hot on flowered upholstery.... I could live with it, but would not order it. I like the ceiling treatment, but see some puckers in one of the photos just fwd of the head compartment.
I wonder if that new metal wheel with wood trim is the $995 custom teak wheel from the order sheet. I was worried the one shown on the R-21 had too much wood which would block the view of guages, radio, etc.. This new wheel would solve that, but is it the same cost or standard?
The radar/flag support thing bothers me in that it just does not seem stout enough to hold all that weight still, even with tight cables. I would like some tripodal support in larger diameter tubing. Even an aft pivoting, "U" shaped support locked into an aft arm to the roof or stack. The "jaunty" little flagpole thing could rise above the more stable platform.
Well, keep up the thoughts. I am excited and happy with most of the progress. All in all, this is one wonderful boat, obviously designed and built by true experts in their field. John
Some thoughts from your points of question: I think the long, skinny, oval window in the cabin door looks odd. It does not match the general look of the boat. Also, when the door is locked open, it appears the wood part blocks alot of the aft view. So, maybe just a stock, rectangular window would be best. An almost solid glass door like the CD25 would allow the best view, but it kind of has a modern look to it.
I am used to a small houseboat with windows thru the head to allow best view backing in tight docking situations. While nice for backing, it is a pain every time one uses the head, to have to close three window shades. The extra windows and curtains/blinds are a pain to keep clean, and prevent other uses of four wall areas. The tiny cockpit window and no inside forward window would allow ease of privacy while using underway and allow lots of wall space for accessories. In rough seas, it is nice to be able to lean against a solid wall instead of a window... The large overhead, head hatch should allow great fresh air flow. So, while it may be a tossup to some, I lean more toward the windowless bulkhead. When windows are thru the head, being exactly behind the pilot, it is kind of a neck wringing thing to turn back and look thru. I think cleaning would be easier to leave the head compartment as is.
Having used a rear camera in a motorhome for years, and reading posts here on C-Brats about the inexpensive, tiny cameras, I am wishing C-Dory would just offer a rear camera option that could be projected by the C-80 or C-120 (which one will fit the console now?) would be a great thing.
Re: the bunk length, I am thinking one could add a pad in the step area for the tallest person's feet or head. My 6'4" son often just slept on a sleeping bag along the length of the floor in my old boat since no bunk fit him.
I am happy to see cleats just fwd and a beam the helm for quick lines, bumpers, etc.. I like the 'taupe' or 'ecru' ? treatment of exterior cabin base. It will look good with the green I am considering, but am not too hot on flowered upholstery.... I could live with it, but would not order it. I like the ceiling treatment, but see some puckers in one of the photos just fwd of the head compartment.
I wonder if that new metal wheel with wood trim is the $995 custom teak wheel from the order sheet. I was worried the one shown on the R-21 had too much wood which would block the view of guages, radio, etc.. This new wheel would solve that, but is it the same cost or standard?
The radar/flag support thing bothers me in that it just does not seem stout enough to hold all that weight still, even with tight cables. I would like some tripodal support in larger diameter tubing. Even an aft pivoting, "U" shaped support locked into an aft arm to the roof or stack. The "jaunty" little flagpole thing could rise above the more stable platform.
Well, keep up the thoughts. I am excited and happy with most of the progress. All in all, this is one wonderful boat, obviously designed and built by true experts in their field. John
More thoughts on the pics from Trawlerfest: It does look like there is an extra cushion and the side rails to support it to fill the step area with bedding for an extra tall person!!! Yay!
Having had spotlights on many boats, I wonder if a beefed up, tripodal radar support could have some accomodation to placing that spotlight higher. I know they are aiming for 'the look' of the larger tugs with the spotlight just atop the helm area, but spotlights too low to the deck and railing will blind you really fast. The current spotlight looks to be about 3 foot above the deck, so if it is aimed anywhere but skyward, the white and rail reflection will be excessive. Has anyone taken this setup out at nite and turned on the spotlite? I guess we could get a 'stealth' paint job on the forward deck and cover the rails with black foam pipe insulation....
Also, regarding cockpit seating, like others on other models, we just want as open an area as possible within which we can each place our preferred seating. Maybe someone could sit on the baitwell? I like the little door on the aft cockpit that opens to the mother-in-law seating area. JJ
I was thinking of seeing if those little fold up fishing seats could be mounted on the aft side of the neat handrails by the steps. The handrail tubes look large enough to handle a backrest or some fishing accessory thingies. John
Having had spotlights on many boats, I wonder if a beefed up, tripodal radar support could have some accomodation to placing that spotlight higher. I know they are aiming for 'the look' of the larger tugs with the spotlight just atop the helm area, but spotlights too low to the deck and railing will blind you really fast. The current spotlight looks to be about 3 foot above the deck, so if it is aimed anywhere but skyward, the white and rail reflection will be excessive. Has anyone taken this setup out at nite and turned on the spotlite? I guess we could get a 'stealth' paint job on the forward deck and cover the rails with black foam pipe insulation....
Also, regarding cockpit seating, like others on other models, we just want as open an area as possible within which we can each place our preferred seating. Maybe someone could sit on the baitwell? I like the little door on the aft cockpit that opens to the mother-in-law seating area. JJ
I was thinking of seeing if those little fold up fishing seats could be mounted on the aft side of the neat handrails by the steps. The handrail tubes look large enough to handle a backrest or some fishing accessory thingies. John
Anita Marie
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Hi Steve, I first want to say I like the C-Ranger. The V-Berth was plenty big enough for two people. One might want to get a foam top pad since there are so many cushions.
The boat did not have any cockpit seating. I would think that you would want removable seating to give you as much versatility as possible.
The solid bulkheads on the head is going limit your visibility to starboard. I like the way are 25 is set up. With a rearview mirror I have a full view aft. The interior and helm were well thought out.
A couple of observations:
1. Did not like the aft door. Poor visibility and just did not look right. Maybe the solid glass door that they now use on the 22 and 25 might look modern but I believe in this case form should follow function.
2. The bow rail was not as solid as I would like. This seems a simple thing to correct but it needs to be more rigid.
3. The face forward seating is a work in progress. Once they get it refined it should work. Hard to explain without seeing it.
Hope this helps.
Fred
The boat did not have any cockpit seating. I would think that you would want removable seating to give you as much versatility as possible.
The solid bulkheads on the head is going limit your visibility to starboard. I like the way are 25 is set up. With a rearview mirror I have a full view aft. The interior and helm were well thought out.
A couple of observations:
1. Did not like the aft door. Poor visibility and just did not look right. Maybe the solid glass door that they now use on the 22 and 25 might look modern but I believe in this case form should follow function.
2. The bow rail was not as solid as I would like. This seems a simple thing to correct but it needs to be more rigid.
3. The face forward seating is a work in progress. Once they get it refined it should work. Hard to explain without seeing it.
Hope this helps.
Fred
Seaboldski
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Great feedback, John. You’re welcome, on the SBS pics
Re: cabin door window. Yes, I tend to agree a rectangular window in the door would look best. My first thought was all glass too, but I agree, that just wouldn’t look right. As it is now, when viewed from the cockpit with the door closed, you see; rectangle, rectangle, oval, round. I’d like to see a large rectangle window that takes up the top half of the door with it’s bottom edge lined up with the bottom edge of the port side window. Same trim as the port side window as well.
Re: View aft toward head. You make some good arguments for the windowless bulkhead as it is presently configured. If I’m not mistaken, I think we are looking at a C-120 in that console, the “E” version of which accepts video inputs, if you wanted a rear facing camera.
Re: the bunk length. On an earlier thread, I had sketched the outlines of two adults in the V-berth laying on the diagonal. With the helm console cut back, and the filler cushions going straight across and filling the whole space, it should work. An overhead storage shelf for the cushions would be a plus
My wife liked the upholstery pattern. Subdued, seashell theme.…. Everyone has their own taste. Hopefully there will be a few designs/colors to choose from. Yes, we saw the puckers in the headliner as well. One of the cushions also looks a bit funky. I’ll put that down to people rushing to finish in time for the show.
Re: Teak wheel. That has got to be the optional wheel. It looks too good to be standard. The C-Ranger site still has the optional steering wheel listed at “$600 exchange”
Yes, I don’t think they have this quite right yet. The tubing DIA does look too small. How about a permanent mount to raise the raydome just above the searchlight and horns, with only the antennas folding to the rear?
They are doing some great things with the boat. I think people are going to end up being very happy with their R-25’s. I would like to see some performance numbers though. I understand that as of right now, the 110hp isn’t available. Too new.
Steve
Re: cabin door window. Yes, I tend to agree a rectangular window in the door would look best. My first thought was all glass too, but I agree, that just wouldn’t look right. As it is now, when viewed from the cockpit with the door closed, you see; rectangle, rectangle, oval, round. I’d like to see a large rectangle window that takes up the top half of the door with it’s bottom edge lined up with the bottom edge of the port side window. Same trim as the port side window as well.
Re: View aft toward head. You make some good arguments for the windowless bulkhead as it is presently configured. If I’m not mistaken, I think we are looking at a C-120 in that console, the “E” version of which accepts video inputs, if you wanted a rear facing camera.
Re: the bunk length. On an earlier thread, I had sketched the outlines of two adults in the V-berth laying on the diagonal. With the helm console cut back, and the filler cushions going straight across and filling the whole space, it should work. An overhead storage shelf for the cushions would be a plus
I am happy to see cleats just fwd and a beam the helm for quick lines, bumpers, etc.. I like the 'taupe' or 'ecru' ? treatment of exterior cabin base. It will look good with the green I am considering, but am not too hot on flowered upholstery.... I could live with it, but would not order it.
My wife liked the upholstery pattern. Subdued, seashell theme.…. Everyone has their own taste. Hopefully there will be a few designs/colors to choose from. Yes, we saw the puckers in the headliner as well. One of the cushions also looks a bit funky. I’ll put that down to people rushing to finish in time for the show.
Re: Teak wheel. That has got to be the optional wheel. It looks too good to be standard. The C-Ranger site still has the optional steering wheel listed at “$600 exchange”
The radar/flag support thing bothers me in that it just does not seem stout enough to hold all that weight still, even with tight cables. I would like some tripodal support in larger diameter tubing. Even an aft pivoting, "U" shaped support locked into an aft arm to the roof or stack. The "jaunty" little flagpole thing could rise above the more stable platform.
Yes, I don’t think they have this quite right yet. The tubing DIA does look too small. How about a permanent mount to raise the raydome just above the searchlight and horns, with only the antennas folding to the rear?
They are doing some great things with the boat. I think people are going to end up being very happy with their R-25’s. I would like to see some performance numbers though. I understand that as of right now, the 110hp isn’t available. Too new.
Steve
Thanks, Fred, for your on the spot report. I was wondering what was going on in that forward dinette area. Also, did you happen to see what that wooden 'plate' was on the console just ahead of the forward dinette seat? It almost looks like it could be a folding desk/table thing.... that would be nice for laptop navigator use.
Glad you are checking out the rail strength. That is something we 'foreigners' would not be able to check until maybe too late.
Steve, maybe that is the answer, a permanent radar platform. then fold the 'jaunty' one!!
You know, a few years ago, I might have insisted upon thru head windows, but there are some advantages for having that extra wall space on such a tiny interior. I will just have to live with whichever plan they opt for.
Seashells? Oh.... well, just evidence of my advanced decor abilities... Shells are better than flowers. My motorhome has flowers, and the ladies seem to prefer flowers or shells or something over nothing, so another area I will just bow out on. John
Glad you are checking out the rail strength. That is something we 'foreigners' would not be able to check until maybe too late.
Steve, maybe that is the answer, a permanent radar platform. then fold the 'jaunty' one!!
You know, a few years ago, I might have insisted upon thru head windows, but there are some advantages for having that extra wall space on such a tiny interior. I will just have to live with whichever plan they opt for.
Seashells? Oh.... well, just evidence of my advanced decor abilities... Shells are better than flowers. My motorhome has flowers, and the ladies seem to prefer flowers or shells or something over nothing, so another area I will just bow out on. John
Seaboldski
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Good observations, Fred. You’ve added a few items to my list of things to check once I get a first hand look. Good news on the V-berth. This boat is nicely set up for overnighting but it would be a show stopper to not have a useable V-berth. In regard to that cabin door, I know a lot of people like the setups on their 22’s and 25’s, and I can see why. Maybe they could offer the all-glass door as an option.
Steve
Steve
Looking at the limited shot of the head sink area, it looks like the shower head may pull out abeam of the cabinet door, or maybe that's the toilet paper holder. In any case, I was thinking it would really be nice, esp. in warm weather, if there were an optional "outside" (aft cockpit) little shower setup. You know, like they have in camping trailers - a little door you open to find hot and cold faucets and a pull out shower head. Then we could rinse off saltwater, sand, mud and fish parts outside and save having to mess up and clean out the head area. I am aware of and have ordered the cockpit washer setup using seawater, but a freshwater rinse would feel good now and then. John
CanuckBoater
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I concur. Beautiful vessel (from internet photos).
Any idea where, on west coast, one can be viewed July 5-19?
Will be out there on business. Want to take a lot at one.
Any idea where, on west coast, one can be viewed July 5-19?
Will be out there on business. Want to take a lot at one.
Contact Jeff at the C-Dory factory.CanuckBoater":8qykzvoe said:Any idea where, on west coast, one can be viewed July 5-19?
Pat Anderson
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Yes, I find this quite odd - remembering the excitement when they worked day and night to give us the sneak preview of the TC255 at Blakely, I was reasonably sure they would do the same with the C-Ranger 25 and bring it to Bellingham. I am wondering if it is because the Livingstons are just not tuned in to the C-Brats yet or if something else is going on...I guess Jeff Messmer will tell us when he is ready to.
Byrdman":huxgguo4 said:bunch of tight lips.... I guess the CR25 did not make it to the weekend gathering.... I see where Jeff and Scott did... Hummm?
I too was wondering why so long with no word, so I asked some pointed questions and most of them were answered within a day or so. I don't know if there are any particularly vexing problems with the boat, but some of the delay is coming from the need for the new, low-sulphur engines. They have made progress on a nice, integral installation setup for the Raymarine E-80 and accessories, and the genset, A/C setup. There are alot of components going into this boat considering all the options for such a small craft.
My boat is a bit down the line, they say maybe a few month's delay, but due the last quarter of 2006. I think they just don't want to stir alot of things up by too much display of a prototype, many components of which are not yet finalized.
I am just going to try to be patient! Like the Byrdman! John
My boat is a bit down the line, they say maybe a few month's delay, but due the last quarter of 2006. I think they just don't want to stir alot of things up by too much display of a prototype, many components of which are not yet finalized.
I am just going to try to be patient! Like the Byrdman! John