Guns on Boats

Telling someone it dont belong here is rude, your comment doesnt belong at all.
Keep comments about how you feel about a topic out of the thread and the thread would have been a normal conversation "on" topic.
 
It isn't so much that Foggy's topic doesn't belong here, it is more that he chose to stand in the companionway and shout it despite the teachings of his grandpa.
 
It seems like a good thread subject to me, as I & many others here for multiple reasons choose at times to have a gun aboard. It was presented in a provoking manner, but as Foggy later clarified perhaps it was somewhat tongue in cheek with knowing some of the responses would be so absurd, as to be humorous. It's difficult for me to understand why some would think such a topic here should be taboo & I too am not overly impressed with most hall monitoring.

JoLee & I both have conceal permits though we don't always carry. Most of the time on the water or when traveling to it, there is either a pistol or shotgun aboard the boat. I think it beyond unlikely my mentioning here whether I carry on the boat or other wise will effect an advantage or disadvantage either way. All threats from which I might have cause to use a gun are very unlikely & the audience here his not going to make it more. The gun aboard or when I carry is mostly for piece of mind, as I believe strongly in self defense, because if personal defense is needed, it's even more unlikely someone in law enforcement is going to be at hand. If you think that makes me a fearful person, then let met suggest my life history points otherwise.

Jay
 
TyBoo":29bamp9o said:
It isn't so much that Foggy's topic doesn't belong here, it is more that he chose to stand in the companionway and shout it despite the teachings of his grandpa.

Nothing wrong about an honest gun discussion. He is trolling, and not for salmon...

Such behavior is not suited to this "keep it friendly" forum.
Take it elsewhere, Foggy.
 
Unfortunately living in california, my whole life,lately it seems i get a bit irritated more and more easily when i hear someone complain at the first word of "gun" or public "breast feeding".
Its getting a bit ridiculous where we cant just conversate without someone popping off with "this isnt the place for that".
:cry :cry :cry
 
Those Texas 32 footers are made right here in Flori Da Thanks Texas we need the $
I think responsible gun owners are not the problem with guns if one chooses to bring along a firearm that is your 2nd amendment right, and Foggy was just asking a Question for C-brats to respond. We have gotten to worried about the PC police that the word Gun is being irresponsible to even say . I think most of us have played cowboys and indians or cops and robbers etc etc .Why now is it so wrong to bring up a Question that affect us all . Lets not forget Switzerland which almost every family has a gun .I don't hear of a lot of crime there do you? just my 2cents

BTW I don't have a concealed carry or am I a member of the NRA just a concerned citizen that Loves our County and our Constitution
 
Amidst the 'yeas' and 'nays', I've decided to post this* as from my experience.

Not mentioned is that if I boat entirely in the US, like a Looper (the Great Loop),
I will legally carry aboard. Going international, I will not. If that seems inappropriate
for international for the times, I will not travel.

*Well, Will, we're gonna just have to face the fact some folks are edgy about
the (hot) topic of guns with all the shootings that have occurred in this and
other countries. It was not my intent to tap into this debate of 2nd Amendment
rights or gun control.

In prepping for a transatlantic voyage in the 80's, I was assigned the job of
looking into 'guns on boats' by the vessel owner since our planned itinerary
included several countries in Europe, the Caribbean and back to the US .
So I did just that, without the internet. And I learned a few things that might have
been brought out in this thread had it not gone awry.

One of the first things I did to get some first hand knowledge is attend an
Annapolis "Safety at Sea" 2 day seminar on this topic given by an x-military guy
who made his living teaching this stuff to people who boat around the world.

Long story shortened, you may be surprised to learn
1. Showing a firearm on deck to dissuade a threatening approaching vessel will
most likely result in you being shot immediately.
2. "Bad guyz' hate noise and light. Rigging noisemakers and keeping well light
on your boat (no, not from rum) may thwart an unwanted boarding at night.
3. Know and follow the law about firearms wherever you are.
4. Some foreign countries will keep your declared firearm w/o reason or apology.
At minimum, you usually need to keep firearm and accounted for ammunition
locked on board in foreign countries. Canada allows no handguns; long guns must have pre-approval.
5. Having a semi-auto pistol, shotgun or AR 15 type rifle with high capacity
magazines is no deterrent to modern bad guys with automatic weapons, grenades
and rocket launchers.
6. Staying 'competent' with any firearm, after baseline training, involves periodic
retraining and practicing firing about 2500 live rounds per month.

Just FYI.

Aye.
 
I'm more interested in gun preference as we are blessed to have the constitutional right to make our own decisions in the US. Jay- what shotgun do you boat with in AK? I like the idea of the Marlin stainless/synthetic 45/70. Seems like it would be easy to maintain in the marine environment. For minimalist concealed carry, I like my Ruger LCP .380 with laser. My wife carries the Ruger LCR .22 on morning walks.
 
Now that is better, Foggy. No need to be provocative as you were earlier in the thread.
Some question 'feeling' the need to carry. Feeling has nothing to do with it.
It is risk management, pure and simple, for responsible owners.
I have been saved from harm once each by wearing a seat belt and carrying a handgun. Hopefully neither need will arise again.
Should I continue to take advantage of these items. You tell me.
 
Foggy":yjyy070m said:
Staying 'competent' with any firearm, after baseline training, involves periodic
retraining and practicing firing about 2500 live rounds per month.
Holy Moses, what's your monthly ammo bill like?
 
If I remember to bring it, I have a .22 Sig Sauer I use for halibut. It also could be utilized to fire a distress signal while offshore if I ran out of flares. I DO know tuna fishermen who bring shot guns and a case of clay pigeons and shoot a few rounds, between the afternoon bite, and when the evening feeding picks up. Salmon fishermen on the Columbia river use high powered air soft guns or paintball guns to deter sea lions. Before this thread was ever started, I thought it would be interesting to put a small gun rack in a C-Dory.
 
My feeling is against carrying onboard. I don't really see the need and I certainly see some pitfalls: Minor altercations which sometimes happen at the ramp, fuel dock, etc. become deadly when the gun gets waved around. The gun is stolen or accidentally misused by kids or guests. What do you do if you travel somewhere that guns are not welcome? Your trip takes on a less serene vibe d/t the presence of a gun and its implications. I do support YOUR right to legally carry a gun however, and I hope you do so responsibly. Just not my thing I guess.
 
Foggy: I carry a small 9mm. I'd say what make but if I did you probably would call me a " fan boy". I also have a Mini 14 because it doesn't look as "evil" if it is ever shown to a jury and a Tavor because I can carry it to And from my car in a racquet bag on my condo elevator. I carry my larger framed 9mm in a Ceasors Pizza lunch box when I take it out to play. I am an NRA member only because I is required by my outdoor range. I do not believe in extremism left or right. As far as boating places you shouldn't be I can only think of draft as a problem. Lunch however is another matter. I am determined not to be a hostage victim at the wrong McDonalds. In my first post to this thread you probably had me pegged as an anti gun proponent and you couldn't have been more wrong. I was trying to defuse what I saw as gun baiting thread that would serve no real purpose other than making members angry at each other ( which seems to have happened in at least 3 cases. I failed. So congratulations, mission accomplished.
 
Pandion":1wlwmlqd said:
Foggy":1wlwmlqd said:
Staying 'competent' with any firearm, after baseline training, involves periodic
retraining and practicing firing about 2500 live rounds per month.
Holy Moses, what's your monthly ammo bill like?

You need to roll your own! :roll:
 
I have only openly carried in Alaska (often going ashore in areas where there are many grizzly bears, but I also carried bear spray, large size. I also took many other precautions against serious bear encounters). In Guatemala, I openly carried, with the permission of the federal military--that was for the safety of my family. In both bases it was a S & W SS 629 in appropriate caliber. Oh yes, many years ago, I used to openly carry in California...a lifetime ago, when backpacking.

I have been in foreign countries, where it seemed prudent to have arms aboard and available if necessary--mostly due to drug runners. Unfortunately one does not always get to choose who shares an anchorage, and at times it may be dangerous in several ways to leave, other than when the light is high in the sky.

I would be very cautious about taking arms on a "Great Loop" Voyage, since there are several states, and areas which you will pass thru, which take a dim view of many types of weapons.

Both Marie and I are CCW holders. I frequently carried when I was in practice, because one of the hospitals was in a "bad" area, and I also made house calls. Several of my associates were badly injured--two to the extent they were not able to continue the practice of medicine, by an assailant. I also believe in very careful situational awareness. No one would ever know that we were carrying.

As for a shotgun, we may carry a Mossberg 500 in blued steel, which is kept well oiled. In retrospect I might have purchased a SS version--but at the time many years ago, it seemed like more than I wanted to pay. That Mossberg is about 45 years old, and is just as functional as the day it was purchased.

I certainly agree with proficiency. But 2500 rounds a month?--seems excessive, and I suspect was somewhat tongue in cheek. I doubt that I shot that many rounds a month when I was on the pistol and rifle team, and shot during noon hour almost every day... That would have been over 100 rounds a day....

Be safe!
 
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