is the 22' right for me?

Tom and Charlie-

I have a manual wiper on my 22 which has a fixed window. Absolutely great in a driving rain, even with electrics on the other two windows.

The electric one won't work on the center one because the motor won't fit where it has to at the top or bottom due to the shelf above and the tray below. Might work without the top shelf as Larry has done.

My manual wiper pivots on the left side, about 4 1/2 inches down from the corner. Would have put it on the right side, but the massive wiring harness from the shelf electronics comes down right at the side where the hole would go.

Ken (BC) has a manual wiper on an opening front center window set up in such as way that the window opens just fine by simply swinging the wiper off the frame, if I remember the conversation from last year correctly. He will soon be along to clarify this. There is a photo in his album of this set up here:

http://www.c-brats.com/modules.php?set_ ... _photo.php

HTH. Happy New Year! Joe.
 
Well, thanks for all the advice and good humor.
I'm off to the Baltimore Boat Show to talk to Cutter Marine, in late January.
I think I have my specs in order now and will post the updated list of options for comment soon.
RE: camper back. Does it have to stay up all the time? Or, can just the top cover be used without the sides at times. The thunderstorms on the Chesapeake with winds sometimes of 40 and 50 might preclude leaving it up. How is it mounted?

tom/ terraplane
 
Tom, I've just got a bimini on Capt's Choice but a camper back is a bimini with sides... The sides can be solid, screened, clear, zippered or snap on, etc. As many types as you can think of ideas for. The frame is either stainless or aluminum and it fits in sockets or on the hardware you can buy for rails, etc.

It can cover the whole cockpit back over the motor well or just back to the motor well, lots of styles. King Canvas on the West Coast is the best known of the makers, you can see their work on the CD factory website.

Not sure who makes them here on the right coast but the folks at Cutter can tell you and I'm sure others will chime in.

Good luck..Charlie
 
Tom,
I have a 22 from Cutter purchased in 11/03. My suggestion for cockpit cover is to mount it with stainless hardware as the stainless stuff is significantly more robust. Also, a zipper installed within a couple inches of the cabin top mounting track will enable you to unzip the top and drop it in a hurry. Otherwise the entire top must be slid out of the mounting track. Look up the canvas top installation on DaNag. This installation appears well thought out and well executed. Cutter did not do the canvas installation nor would they recommend an installer. I did order mine from King and had it installed by a local installer. The canvas top is a trade off between protection when the environment turns harsh and added complication in storage, cleaning, erecting and collapsing the top.
Mike 'Levity'
 
OK, getting close. Got a contract today from Cutter with the detailed list of options, etc.
Question: I've ordered the windlass..Delta, and it comes with chain ...is that a good idea. Here on the bay ,with eight boats, i've always had about 20 feet of chain , then line. Comments?

Never had towed a boat...how big a vehicle do i need? I have a Subaru Forester, automatic, rated for 2,000 pounds towing.

Any help appreciated.

tom,/terraplane
 
Tom, with our soft bottom on the bay(not mine personally mind you :moon ), that amount of chain is fine. I've only got about 10 ft with 150 ft of 1/2" nylon rode. No windlass. Never had a problem with anchoring anywhere around the bay area.

The Forrester won't cut it :thdown . A fully loaded CD 22 on either a single axle or double axle trailer will go 4000- 5000 pounds :smileo . There is lots of traffic on the site about towing weights, do a search on some of the words. I tow with a 3/4 ton Dodge V-10, admittedly an overkill but I also tow a 28' camping trailer that goes about 11,000. That truck doesn't know the CD is there when I tow it :lol: .

Here's your chance to buy a new vehicle too! What could be better! Almost any of the mid size SUVs will do the trick, half ton pickups, etc. Go for it. Keep us posted and come see us down on the Potomac.

Charlie
 
Thanks Charlie, Suspected as much about the Forester.

Cutter says the rode of chain helps balance the boat, that without it the bow tends to be a bit up in the air. I agree about the Bay...have never needed more than what i described, even in an emergency.

I've been up the Potomac many times...in my old slow boas. We make a trip of it, from Rock Hall to DC, with stops at Tilgman, Deal Island, Solomons, St. Mary's City, then up the rivere, with one overnight somewhere on the Potomac before DC. With a c dory, even at 6kit, this will be an express trip!

tom
 
Today I placed my order with Cutter Marine, Chesapeake Bay, for a C.Dory, 22....nicely equipped, as they would say.

Will take delivery in early April, giving me time to sell my children, my mother in law and my priest to get the money! (Just kidding).

Thanks to all of you who were kind enough to give me advice. I am constantly telling people about this site, even if they are not C Dory owners...great humor, great boating advice, and nice people.

tom/terraplane
 
We too have a Forester and were planning to take our boat home with it...a friend suggested we check the manual for towing capacity, and as you have discovered, a C-Dory requires about double the towing capacity of a Forester. So we dashed out and bought a used Expedition, the new roof will have to a wait a few more years...


terraplane":2zo0r5pg said:
Thanks Charlie, Suspected as much about the Forester.





tom
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Hi Tom,
We also boat out of Rock Hall and like you I've been looking
at CD 22's. If we get really serious I may pick your brain
a bit to gain from your experience. The feedback on this board
is great and really gives you things to consider before putting
down the bucks. Good luck with your new purchase. By the
way, are you the one who said blue was a bad c-bay color?
Would love to hear more on that! Steve / crab cake :beer
 
Hey Tom (Terraplane), don't sell the kids and mother-in-law :lol: , or maybe just the MIL, why don't you get one of those new life insurance policies like I got.

They gave me the money now and when I die, the kids have to pay it back.... :twisted:

They seem to be suddenly worried about my welfare.... :lol:
 
Tom, another comment, just went back and read the thread...

Wait on all the chain. My boat sits with the bow slightly down, even without all the chain. I don't have the midships bilge pump and I get water in the cabin, or did until I put a plug in the drain hole between the cabin and the cockpit. A pain to drain/soak up after a rainstorm. A bit more down by the stern would be fine for me. Once I get underway, the water runs aft, and the pump takes it right out.

You really don't need much chain for the bay anyway.

Charlie
 
The factory should fix that, so that the Norcold could be fitted in with the seat option (or any other option). I have just returned from 2 weeks in the bush dry camping on the boat and can't imagine living without that Norcold now -- it is truly just as indispensable as the Wallas for long term outings. Makes life easy -- a good thing.
 
Tom,
Great news on the new CD22 coming to the right coast. If you have not already thought of it, you may want to add a water pressure guage option,
if the HONDA power is your choice. This may save you the loss of a water pump when you pickup a plastic bag in the bay. One of those items caused me to replace 2 water pumps in 3 yrs. on my old SeaRay 18'. I did add them to my CD25 twins. At cruise you can also get a feel of how well trimed you are.

We are at the lower part of the Ches. Bay. I have been very pleased with the use of the Wallas Stove, especially when working on the boat when it is on the the work rack at the marina and it has been 30 degrees out while I have been working inside the cabin on installations and wiring.

I am looking forward to some kind of gathering here on the Ches. Bay. I hope it will bring out all the CDs that Cutter has delivered. Unfortunately a long lead time is required for some of us who are still working, so I guess that thought should be about late 2005 or 2006.

Again, welcome to the right coast C-Brat/ C-Dory Clan...

Art
 
I have ordered a 22 C Dory from Cutter, 90 HOnda, and the typical Cutter package, generally. Already busy planning for the arrival, sometime after April 1. Since I am used to trawler speeds and mapping trips on that basis (8 kts), what kind of distance can I expect from a full load of gas? I know about the 1/3 mantra....but if i am running at say, 17, what kind of distance might I expect to get?

terraplane
 
terraplane":5308yco4 said:
I have ordered a 22 C Dory from Cutter, 90 HOnda, and the typical Cutter package, generally. Already busy planning for the arrival, sometime after April 1. Since I am used to trawler speeds and mapping trips on that basis (8 kts), what kind of distance can I expect from a full load of gas? I know about the 1/3 mantra....but if i am running at say, 17, what kind of distance might I expect to get?

terraplane
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You should be able to easily count-on 4miles/gallon under most any conditions. 17kts it about the max in the MPG curve. With a single Honda 70, the C-dory performance curves state 5.2MPG. I count on 4 regardless of my speed and I get a little better than that with my twin Honda 40's(4.5 is typical for me including a 4-10 hours of trolling on a single engine - e.g time spent going nowhere). If your boat has the newer 25gal tanks (mine are 20), and you want 1/3 in reserve, 50*.67*4= a VERY conservative 130miles. Throw-in a 6-12 gallon Jerry can or two and 200+miles RT are straightforward.

We've done a 140mile RT (Lake Union in Seattle to Pleasant Harbor in the Hood Canal and back) with a single fill and about 6 gals left in reserve. That was with 3 on board and loaded with a few hundred pounds of gear and some fishing and crabbing time that I don't count in the overall distance. Relative to fishing trips with an old friend of mine who had a 25 grady White with an older 2-stroke, the milage on the C-Dory/Honda combo is fantastic. I used to split the gas with him, and a single day of fishing (maybe 50 miles RT) cost $75 in total back when gas was $1.30 or so at the marina's. Now I get 3-4 fishing trips on a single fill with plenty left in reserve. So fuel costs for my fishing are typically way less than costs of tackle lost + the launch/parking fee + food/drink for the boaters. The low cost of operating the 22' CD is one of the reasons why bigger boats look less attractive to me. Also, it is worth noting that with the trailerable boat, you can fill up on dry land and get gas that's quite a bit less expensive than at the typical fuel dock (the price/gal on the water around here is about $0.60 more than on dry land).

Roger on the SeaDNA
 
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