Looking for advice on towing a dock
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T.R. Bauer
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Captains Cat":pcam2h4i said:T.R. Bauer":pcam2h4i said:
Permatrim and Trim Tabs would help!!
Oh, and we'd like to have video for YouTube!!:thup
Charlie
I think they hit the ignore button.... :lol:
T.R. Bauer":dpnf6kbw said:Captains Cat":dpnf6kbw said:T.R. Bauer":dpnf6kbw said:
Permatrim and Trim Tabs would help!!
Oh, and we'd like to have video for YouTube!!:thup
Charlie
I think they hit the ignore button.... :lol:
That's what we get for being a bunch of wise-asses!
Joe. :teeth :thup
hardee":1mm08u52 said:
Bureaucrats and logic? Environmental rules and property rights? East and West? Water and oil?
I suspect it is possible but the deck quite often gets stacked by the envirocrats.
Endless forms and applications to be misplaced and-or rejected. Obscure and hidden rules to trip you up. The cost of an environmental impact statement is prohibitive and the chances of it needing to be redone because an i wasn't dotted is very real.
Even if you endure all this and meet all requirements they can just say no. The the appeal process will be more of the same.
rant over...
T.R. Bauer
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Sea Wolf":2x2zj4fx said:T.R. Bauer":2x2zj4fx said:Captains Cat":2x2zj4fx said:T.R. Bauer":2x2zj4fx said:
Permatrim and Trim Tabs would help!!
Oh, and we'd like to have video for YouTube!!:thup
Charlie
I think they hit the ignore button.... :lol:
That's what we get for being a bunch of wise-asses!
Joe. :teeth :thup
The problem is I think they hit ignore years ago.....We are on the blocked list.....
I am not ignoring you smart asses :wink , just been busy today. Started at 05:00 this morning and just got home at 21:30. All related to the Marinaut. Tomorrow morning I go back to South Bend then to Raymond just a few miles up-river from South Bend to look at another project for a friend.
It seems as though they have a bridge that has been stuck in the open position for a long time and nobody has figured out a way of closing it.
We will take my 16/18 out to it and see what it will take to close it. The above photo is from Bing. I will take some photos when we look it over tomorrow. If it is something I want to tackle, I will move my track excavator there when we finish with the ramp and close the bridge.
Harvey – you would think it would not be a hard process to replace the dock. Unfortunately Chester is 100% correct with his assessment and it would take years to just get the permits if no-one objected.
Dave
www.marinautboats.com
It seems as though they have a bridge that has been stuck in the open position for a long time and nobody has figured out a way of closing it.
We will take my 16/18 out to it and see what it will take to close it. The above photo is from Bing. I will take some photos when we look it over tomorrow. If it is something I want to tackle, I will move my track excavator there when we finish with the ramp and close the bridge.
Harvey – you would think it would not be a hard process to replace the dock. Unfortunately Chester is 100% correct with his assessment and it would take years to just get the permits if no-one objected.
Dave
www.marinautboats.com
That was my thought: it looks like an old abandoned railroad bridge.
What are the legal implications of closing this old bridge?
Do you or anyone else incur liability for anything that follows as a result?
Is there barge or commercial traffic on the river here?
Who is in charge of the regulations on this waterway?
Who "owns" the bridge?
Who cares?
Why do it?
Is a track excavator basically a back-hoe?
Joe. :teeth :thup
What are the legal implications of closing this old bridge?
Do you or anyone else incur liability for anything that follows as a result?
Is there barge or commercial traffic on the river here?
Who is in charge of the regulations on this waterway?
Who "owns" the bridge?
Who cares?
Why do it?
Is a track excavator basically a back-hoe?
Joe. :teeth :thup
One of my friends owns a stone quarry (flagstone, ag line)
Here is one
http://catused.cat.com/en/CATERPILLAR/E ... _view.html
Here is one
http://catused.cat.com/en/CATERPILLAR/E ... _view.html
wailedcentipede
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if your still going to tow with the boat steering could be a problem .. to ease up on the trottle swing the boat on course than open up should do it ... i would think it should float upright the logs being heavier the eight foot beams should help stop the roll if it has that tendentcy ... I've done sum towing but the tow bit is in front of the engine .. lol ... the boat turns better it only screws up when the line is in the wheel ... wc
Looks like the bridge to nowhere, from the railroad to nowhere over the waterway to nowhere! I also wonder why close the bridge? That looks like a project!
Back to the ramp, I probably would use cables from the track vehicle to lower it slowly, and would have barrels lashed along the sides of the dock on both ends (4 at least). I don't think that you will do all that well with the 8 hp Honda--unless you want to use it for "steering--the "stern" of the ramp as you tow the ramp with the boat. It will move it OK--but steering from the back, if you have any cross current/wind can be a problem. I still would use 2 boats--one towing and one as a "tug".
Back to the ramp, I probably would use cables from the track vehicle to lower it slowly, and would have barrels lashed along the sides of the dock on both ends (4 at least). I don't think that you will do all that well with the 8 hp Honda--unless you want to use it for "steering--the "stern" of the ramp as you tow the ramp with the boat. It will move it OK--but steering from the back, if you have any cross current/wind can be a problem. I still would use 2 boats--one towing and one as a "tug".
Captains Cat
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thataway":iffnusdd said:
I'd like to tow it as we did with IOWA, one Fleet Tug ahead and two astern guiding it around the bends and keeping it from picking up too much speed... Can't wait for the much awaited After Action Report and the video! This is as much fun as we can have with our clothes on...
My Brides' comment is "GOOD LUCK".
Charlie
Started moving the material and equipment in place today for removing the dock ramp and I spent the rest of the day on the Willapa River looking at the boat launch, the tow area and ramp as well as looking at the RR Bridge. The bridge is impressive and I will post one photo now. Took lots but will cover it later with additional photos.
We actually did some calculations on the weight of the ramp and came up with a total weight of just under 3300 lbs. As Roger and Bob suggested, the ideal way would be to lower the ramp into the water and after doing our calculations I think I can add a 6x8 beam on top of each railing on the walkway so it extends about 18 inches beyond the railing and hook a come-a-long on each 6x8 beam down to the cross beam on the ramp. When the tide is in with the drums strapped to the ramp it should float up. We then take the tension off the pin with the come-a-longs, knock the pin out and lower it to the water. It will take two sets of come-a-longs because of the distance.
We then build a transom on the ramp, hook up the 8hp outboard and tow it to the boat launch. With the engine on the ramp we will not be as pressed for time to move it down river. Even with an outgoing tide we will have some ability to slow the ramp down and will have better control of the ramp. The boat ramp is a real shallow ramp so that will create its own challenges. The boat ramp was busy today and Sunday I expect it to be even busier. We may have to wait until Sunday evening or Monday morning to haul it out of the water.
Brent you are right, that is what I call a track excavator. In fact, I use to have one similar to the one you linked to when I was logging. The one I have now is much smaller so I can move it around on a 14,000 trailer with a pickup.
Charlie – I never thought of videos, mostly because all of us are 69 and older and never learned to operate these new fangled hi-tech pieces of equipment and my hands will be full doing as much of the work as possible. So I called my son-in-law and asked if he would videotape us.
Tug – I thought of dismantling it but would be extremely hard because of its steep angle, it is over mud (soft, sticky, gooey mud) and the low end will still be two feet under water at low tide.
The rr-bridge will not be done this year. It can be done if it does not fall apart in the process.
Joe & Chester – you guys are right, it is a rail to trails bridge that I would gess has not been closed in over 35 years.
Dave
www.marinautboats.com
We actually did some calculations on the weight of the ramp and came up with a total weight of just under 3300 lbs. As Roger and Bob suggested, the ideal way would be to lower the ramp into the water and after doing our calculations I think I can add a 6x8 beam on top of each railing on the walkway so it extends about 18 inches beyond the railing and hook a come-a-long on each 6x8 beam down to the cross beam on the ramp. When the tide is in with the drums strapped to the ramp it should float up. We then take the tension off the pin with the come-a-longs, knock the pin out and lower it to the water. It will take two sets of come-a-longs because of the distance.
We then build a transom on the ramp, hook up the 8hp outboard and tow it to the boat launch. With the engine on the ramp we will not be as pressed for time to move it down river. Even with an outgoing tide we will have some ability to slow the ramp down and will have better control of the ramp. The boat ramp is a real shallow ramp so that will create its own challenges. The boat ramp was busy today and Sunday I expect it to be even busier. We may have to wait until Sunday evening or Monday morning to haul it out of the water.
Brent you are right, that is what I call a track excavator. In fact, I use to have one similar to the one you linked to when I was logging. The one I have now is much smaller so I can move it around on a 14,000 trailer with a pickup.
Charlie – I never thought of videos, mostly because all of us are 69 and older and never learned to operate these new fangled hi-tech pieces of equipment and my hands will be full doing as much of the work as possible. So I called my son-in-law and asked if he would videotape us.
Tug – I thought of dismantling it but would be extremely hard because of its steep angle, it is over mud (soft, sticky, gooey mud) and the low end will still be two feet under water at low tide.
The rr-bridge will not be done this year. It can be done if it does not fall apart in the process.
Joe & Chester – you guys are right, it is a rail to trails bridge that I would gess has not been closed in over 35 years.
Dave
www.marinautboats.com
Captains Cat
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Wow, if we thought the ramp was a challenge, the bridge project blows me away!! :shock:
I'm sure the trunion bearings on that rotating mechanism have long rusted in place, it'll be a bitch to rotate...
Thanks for doing video, a picture may be worth a 1000 words but a movie/talkie is worth a million! :wink:
I'm about your age, I have "gadgeted" for years, am pretty good with an 8 track tape machine and a Beta Video player, not so hot with cameras/phones/computers but somehow I get by!
Be safe in your operations!
Charlie
I'm sure the trunion bearings on that rotating mechanism have long rusted in place, it'll be a bitch to rotate...
Thanks for doing video, a picture may be worth a 1000 words but a movie/talkie is worth a million! :wink:
I'm about your age, I have "gadgeted" for years, am pretty good with an 8 track tape machine and a Beta Video player, not so hot with cameras/phones/computers but somehow I get by!
Be safe in your operations!
Charlie
You might start hitting those trunnion bearings every week or so with "PB blaster". She might loosen up by next spring! I agree that is a real challange. Any "old timers" who had actually worked the bridge still around?
Great projects--and thanks for sharing. A lot of us wish were were up there up observe and help if possible. Video: just get one of these $100 cameras, and point it at the subject. No technology. (Of course it is embarssing when the 7 year old grandson understands this far better than us septuagenarians.
Great projects--and thanks for sharing. A lot of us wish were were up there up observe and help if possible. Video: just get one of these $100 cameras, and point it at the subject. No technology. (Of course it is embarssing when the 7 year old grandson understands this far better than us septuagenarians.
It was a success. However we did have a major problem that worked in our favor. Had we not had the problem and everything went like clockwork we could have had a bigger problem. Somebody was looking out for us from up above and put a temporary halt to our move. The ramp is now at the Schreiner Ranch on the Dalles Mountain.
I have 376 photos and 14 videos of the move. I will link to 43 photos and explain the process in stages, having 43 photos show up in one post would be too much. Besides, it will be easier to explain in stages. When I figure out youtube, I will link to videos of the process.
Dave
www.marinautboats.com
I have 376 photos and 14 videos of the move. I will link to 43 photos and explain the process in stages, having 43 photos show up in one post would be too much. Besides, it will be easier to explain in stages. When I figure out youtube, I will link to videos of the process.
Dave
www.marinautboats.com