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Love this design. Looks like my retirement boat and I'm looking forward to reading about sea trials.

Does the unified hull and cabin sole mean that we have sort of a Boston Whaler double hull? One reason I like the 16 is that boats under 20 are required to have positive flotation. Will the Marinaut have the equivalent built into its various compartments and double hull?

I love my 16 but am interested in a larger boat for longer cruises and bigger water (Alaska, passage to Haida Gwaii, Cape Caution, etc). It seems that this sleek little boat has a lot of flair in the bow rather than an extra freeboard approach. Any comments from the experienced salty types about expected ocean performance?

The boat has a certain Donald Duck "quackiness" to it :) in a good way...
 
I also like the larger side windows. It always bugged me that the C-Dory windows didn't open far enough to let the air through in good weather. I cut the rubber bumpers on my windows so they could open another 2 inches. Will the centre forward window open?

I hope the coaming at the after end of the cabin is substantial enough. I find that a flaw in the C-Dory in that water can wash back along the gunwales and into the cockpit a little bit because of the undersized coaming.

Dare I ask what the price range is projected to be for the basic boat?
 
NORO LIM":1hga1aig said:
Catch 22":1hga1aig said:
. . . i do think the boat handles better with the saddle tanks. . .
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Very interesting. Thanks for the input.

Not to beat a possibly dead horse, but if, as Milehog conjectures ". . . the waterline beam is narrower than on the C-D 22. . .", I wonder what the implications might be for the even more "outboard" weight of saddle tanks on this hull. Maybe it's just me, but I imagine a 150 pound person "hiking out" over one gunwale or the other. On a boat his size, it just seems like it might be destabilizing.
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Pushing the weight foreward ought to reduce-eliminate the need for trimtabs. The water tank in the bow will assist even more. Any side to side balance issues arising from fuel use could be delt with by the use of a fuel distribution valve. In fact, fuel could be used as ballast to compensate for uneven loading of crew and other stuff.
 
David – I hope I did not give the impression that the boat will be at the Seattle boat show. It takes too much lead time to get a spot. If the boat is ready, I plan on taking it to the CBGT and having it available for people to check out at the hotel parking lot.

Bill – I have saddle tanks in my 16 [now an 18] and if anything, it has improved the handling characteristics of the boat. On my 18 the center of gravity of the tanks is 8” higher than it will be on the Marinaut 215.

I believe the waterline beam of the 215 is about the same as the 22. When we originally designed the boat as the 205 (it was 20’ 3”) and was narrower than the 22 but when we lengthened it 14” we also increased the width by 2”. While the boat is 5” shorter than the 22, its length at the waterline is 2” longer.

RJD – I don’t know what the length of the deck is on the 22 Angler, but the Cruiser has a 4’ deck and we will have a 5’ 2” deck.

marco – it does mean we will have sort of a Boston Whaler double hull design, but not to the extent that there is on the BW.

Right now I can’t say what it will cost, other than it will be priced comparatively to other boats of its type.

I hope I got all the questions answered, if not ask again.
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Dave, many thanks for the response.

The 22 Cruiser has a 4'6" cockpit, the 22 Angler has a 6'4" cockpit. For us fishermen (and buddies), a huge difference. Can't wait to see the 215 as in between those, but closer to the Cruiser. Sounds like cockpit size same as 23 Venture.

Looking forward to seeing it, we are jazzed.
 
NORO LIM":bm4ms2bh said:
Not to beat a possibly dead horse, but if, as Milehog conjectures ". . . the waterline beam is narrower than on the C-D 22. . .", I wonder what the implications might be for the even more "outboard" weight of saddle tanks on this hull. Maybe it's just me, but I imagine a 150 pound person "hiking out" over one gunwale or the other. On a boat his size, it just seems like it might be destabilizing.
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A good addition might be to add a cross-flow fuel tube to equalize the fuel load to prevent off center load distribution, or....

one could add a pump in the middle of this tube and use the fuel load as moveable ballast to offset uneven loading within the hull, aiding with lateral trim, perhaps even eliminating the need for trim tabs. The hydrofoil, such as a Permatrim, would still allow for fore-aft hull / bow down trim.

Moving the center of gravity outward isn't such a a bad idea, either, in that it would stabilize to increase the inertial resistance to rolling (along the fore-aft axis) of the boat. The rise in height, however, might not be so advantageous.

As to the narrower beam abaft, this may help in down wave performance, where waves from the rear work on all surfaces, including the hydrofoil and trim tabs, to lift and push the boat, resulting in control problems particularly when the push is from the side or off center, trying to roll the hull over into a broach, sometimes affectionately known as a "death roll".

A deeper, narrower bow, + a wider relative beam amidships, + a narrower boat abaft.

May equal-

better wave breaking ability, +more stability athwartships and easier planing, + better downwave stability, but

these may well all be benefits, if they are indeed there, but, of course, in naval design, most everything has its downside, too...

so we'll just have to wait and see, but I'm sure Ben and Dave have thought this all out already as far as the thinking processes go, so we're back to wait and see!

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
breausaw":9pizvazk said:
At first the sleeping area was a mystery, but now I understand the approach and like it...I made similar modifications to our c-dory so we can be closer by adding an additional segment onto the birth area. :note
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Nice boat! I think it's a berth area unless you do something other than sleep! :lol:

Charlie
 
Doryman":2y6r3492 said:
A thought: doesn't this boat look more like the small Sea Sport to you?
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Other than the fact that they both have cabins and are fiberglass...they look nothing alike to me.

Aesthetically...I can't say I've seen a finer looking boat in its class. To my eye, it takes the best from classic tug lines and the C-Dory profile, and combines them into something very unique.

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I agree that this is a fine looking boat. Great lines. One minor (very minor) change that I would make is get rid of the fiberglass vhf antenna, and mount a whip antenna on the arch.

Minor. :wink:

Robbi
 
The 215 will be a great addition to the boats that are set up correctly for fishing in Alaska.
We like the lines and are very interested as to how the interior is going to look.

Regards to All,
Doug and Betty :beer :thup
 
Robbi":3myc364y said:
I agree that this is a fine looking boat. Great lines. One minor (very minor) change that I would make is get rid of the fiberglass vhf antenna, and mount a whip antenna on the arch.

Minor. :wink:

Robbi
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Robbi,

Why would you get rid of the fiberglass antenna? I was under the impression that the height of the 8' glass (along with the quality of the antenna) were key to better performance.

Steve
 
I got lucky today and spent some time looking at the Marinaut 215 with Dave and Ben and I was thoroughly impressed. The boat is going to be with out a doubt awesome. I picked over every inch of it looking for shortcomings and for every question they had a well thought out and practical answer. It is definitely the product of many many years of experience in the industry and/or trial and error. You can not fully tell from the pictures just how big the cabin is going to be, many subtle design elements really open the boat up, and the cock pit has plenty of room too. It was amazing to see how little things here and there really make a big difference in the overall functionality of the boat. I can't wait to see one on the water. Thanks for having me guys...
 
I was at Swantown sunday but have never figured out where the warehouse is they are building the boat at. If I could I would have been peeking in the windows. Was I in the wrong place?
 
Steve, This is just my very personal preference. I guess my biggest complaint with the fiberglass style antenna connected to the side of the boat is that it is in the way too much of the time.
VHF transmissions are line of sight, with antenna height and antenna gain the two factors that influence transmission distance the most. I like the stainless whip antennas that were first made for sailboats, but now are made purposely for smaller non masthead applications.
On the Marinaut, I would mount a 3 foot whip on top of the radar arch, which would be almost as tall as an eight foot antenna mounted on the side of the boat. For Puget Sound, and the San Juans, that set up would work just fine. If I were an ocean boater, I might go with something taller, but again I think I would mount it on the arch.

I have a 3 foot whip mounted on my roof rail of my 19, and I have never had trouble hearing or transmitting to the USCG, even when I forget to raise the antenna after I have exited under the bridge at high tide. Boat to boat is not as good, but I think that is more of a "line of sight" issue.

Dave, I am really excited to see this boat in person, but what I really am looking forward to is a sea trial. Where am I in line? :D

Robbi
 
Catch 22":1zmqivch said:
I got lucky today and spent some time looking at the Marinaut 215 with Dave and Ben and I was thoroughly impressed. The boat is going to be with out a doubt awesome. I picked over every inch of it looking for shortcomings and for every question they had a well thought out and practical answer. It is definitely the product of many many years of experience in the industry and/or trial and error. You can not fully tell from the pictures just how big the cabin is going to be, many subtle design elements really open the boat up, and the cock pit has plenty of room too. It was amazing to see how little things here and there really make a big difference in the overall functionality of the boat. I can't wait to see one on the water. Thanks for having me guys...
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Kevin –thank you for your comments and thanks you for your input and offer with the fuel tanks.

Robbie – if you promise not to use the antenna as a handhold, you can be first.

Lloyd – the boat is not in Olympia anymore. It is at the old C-Dory site in Kent, WA (a few miles south of SeaTac) for the fiberglass work.

If anyone wants to see it, let me know and we will try to work you into the schedule as much as possible.

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