the US gets Covid under control. Will Trump do it for you?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/n ... 661758001/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/n ... 661758001/
US/CANADA BORDER WILL STAY CLOSED UNTIL...
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Yep, not until there is a plan. So far none. If we're lucky a plan will go into effect on January 20th if all goes well...
A few weeks ago we cruised right by the corner of the water border as we headed to Stuart Island from Patos. Could easily see homes along the edge of Saturna Island and couldn't help but reflect on how you Canadians have it under control yet we're effectively having a national dumpster fire. We so much wanted to make a hard right turn and claim "pandemic asylum" when we got intercepted by the Canadian Coast Guard!
A few weeks ago we cruised right by the corner of the water border as we headed to Stuart Island from Patos. Could easily see homes along the edge of Saturna Island and couldn't help but reflect on how you Canadians have it under control yet we're effectively having a national dumpster fire. We so much wanted to make a hard right turn and claim "pandemic asylum" when we got intercepted by the Canadian Coast Guard!
Pacificcoast101
Member
From the article:Knipet":21kufhig said:
According to the Canadian government, the country reported nearly 31,000 new cases and 372 deaths in the past two weeks. Cumulatively, it has had more than 193,000 cases and almost 9,750 deaths. The provinces of Quebec, which reported more than 7,000 new cases in the past week, and Ontario, which counted nearly 5,500, are in the worst shape, according to New York Times data.
Peter & Judy
New member
Canada is now in it's second wave of Covid-19. We opened somewhat for the summer and now the kids are back in school. Like people around the world, Canadians got restless and complacent in the warm weather. Most of the cases are in our two most populous Provinces, Quebec and Ontario. There are a few other hotspots in the country. To put things in perspective, the US currently has 8.5 times the population of Canada. Doing the math on the numbers quoted above this would give Canada the equivalent of 1,640,500 cases and 82,875 deaths if we had the same population as the US. Using todays data from Google, the US has 8,020,000 cases and 218,000 deaths. So using easy math the per capita equivalent is that the US has about 4.9 times as many cases as we do and 2.63 times as many deaths. So to summirise, the US may have beat us in the Stanley Cup Hockey finals this year, but we are winning in the lower Covid-19 cases and deaths.
Stay Safe, Stay Healthy and don't forget to vote.
VanIslander
New member
Hi. I am a long time lurker but not a C-Dory owner yet (I fish out of a 19’ Arima Sea Ranger but my plan is to move to a C Dory at some point down the road). As such, perhaps I really should not have a right to comment on a C Dory owners' site, but as I have taken the bait, am going to do so anyway.
As a Canadian I wanted to comment on this string. I think the idea that Canada’s small population is somehow the reason for our much lower pandemic infection numbers is both inaccurate and dismissive of the many sacrifices Canadians have made to protect themselves and each other.
Canada is a huge country, the second largest on earth. But most of our population do not live in our hinterland, instead living in crowded cities, generally tending to concentrate along our Southern border. Our cities look just like US cities. Our COVID-19 numbers do tend to be worse in our more populous areas, but those numbers are still, sadly, much lower than in comparable areas in the US. Our numbers are lower because we have invested and worked hard to keep it that way. This has not been easy or pleasant and has had huge negative consequences, And we have not been fully successful. In provinces like my own beautiful British Columbia, we have had repeated spikes and have had far too many illnesses and deaths of friends and family. In provinces like Quebec where the matter appears not to have been managed nearly as well by either government or citizens, the numbers are dramatically worse than the rest of Canada. To me there is a clue there – leadership, commitment, appropriate action and resources are what it takes to beat back this scourge (and a vaccination program would not hurt!). As Canadians, we view illnesses in the US as extremely troubling – for the tragic human toll, the impact on our shared economy, the risk it poses of transmission vectors to our country, and because it cuts off many preferred holiday destinations and access to friends and family. One thing hopefully we can all agree on is that this bloody virus needs to be eliminated!
Like many Canadians I deeply love the US, have traveled extensively in your beautiful country and have met wonderful people everywhere I go. Like many Canadians, I also have a lot of family who are US citizens. Yes, we have our differences. Canada does tend to be a more liberal leaning country. We are neither shy nor ashamed of that fact. We are quiet about it, but Canadians are very proud of the culture that we have built over a long period of time. We are also an inclusive and welcoming country, as many of you will have found if you have visited any part of Canada. I bristled a little at the one unkind comment, although I understand it may have been said in jest or haste. But I will say for the record, if such a person exists, “libtards” are welcome to visit or emigrate here, as are others.
Many Canadians have watched your politics of the last few years with a great deal of dismay, and the tragic effects of the pandemic as well. My typically Canadian reticence to offend others or cause conflict leads me to comment no more on such touchy subjects. I would suggest that disease and politics are not great topics for a site like this which is dedicated to our shared interest in fine boats, beautiful environments, and camaraderie. Perhaps there are safer topics for discussion.
In closing, I would say that our countries have more in common than we have differences. A group like C Brats helps to celebrate both our commonalities and differences, and this is one of the things which really attracts me to becoming a C Dory owner down the road. I and other Canadians truly wish you well. We are all headed into a long winter and I wish for my fellow countrymen, you, your family and your country to be safe and to have a better 2021 than 2020 has been. For me, 2021 will bring a 2nd grandson, so it already feels like it is going to be a better year.
Charles
As a Canadian I wanted to comment on this string. I think the idea that Canada’s small population is somehow the reason for our much lower pandemic infection numbers is both inaccurate and dismissive of the many sacrifices Canadians have made to protect themselves and each other.
Canada is a huge country, the second largest on earth. But most of our population do not live in our hinterland, instead living in crowded cities, generally tending to concentrate along our Southern border. Our cities look just like US cities. Our COVID-19 numbers do tend to be worse in our more populous areas, but those numbers are still, sadly, much lower than in comparable areas in the US. Our numbers are lower because we have invested and worked hard to keep it that way. This has not been easy or pleasant and has had huge negative consequences, And we have not been fully successful. In provinces like my own beautiful British Columbia, we have had repeated spikes and have had far too many illnesses and deaths of friends and family. In provinces like Quebec where the matter appears not to have been managed nearly as well by either government or citizens, the numbers are dramatically worse than the rest of Canada. To me there is a clue there – leadership, commitment, appropriate action and resources are what it takes to beat back this scourge (and a vaccination program would not hurt!). As Canadians, we view illnesses in the US as extremely troubling – for the tragic human toll, the impact on our shared economy, the risk it poses of transmission vectors to our country, and because it cuts off many preferred holiday destinations and access to friends and family. One thing hopefully we can all agree on is that this bloody virus needs to be eliminated!
Like many Canadians I deeply love the US, have traveled extensively in your beautiful country and have met wonderful people everywhere I go. Like many Canadians, I also have a lot of family who are US citizens. Yes, we have our differences. Canada does tend to be a more liberal leaning country. We are neither shy nor ashamed of that fact. We are quiet about it, but Canadians are very proud of the culture that we have built over a long period of time. We are also an inclusive and welcoming country, as many of you will have found if you have visited any part of Canada. I bristled a little at the one unkind comment, although I understand it may have been said in jest or haste. But I will say for the record, if such a person exists, “libtards” are welcome to visit or emigrate here, as are others.
Many Canadians have watched your politics of the last few years with a great deal of dismay, and the tragic effects of the pandemic as well. My typically Canadian reticence to offend others or cause conflict leads me to comment no more on such touchy subjects. I would suggest that disease and politics are not great topics for a site like this which is dedicated to our shared interest in fine boats, beautiful environments, and camaraderie. Perhaps there are safer topics for discussion.
In closing, I would say that our countries have more in common than we have differences. A group like C Brats helps to celebrate both our commonalities and differences, and this is one of the things which really attracts me to becoming a C Dory owner down the road. I and other Canadians truly wish you well. We are all headed into a long winter and I wish for my fellow countrymen, you, your family and your country to be safe and to have a better 2021 than 2020 has been. For me, 2021 will bring a 2nd grandson, so it already feels like it is going to be a better year.
Charles
I hate the term Libtard from republican name callers, thinking they are better than folks who are open minded and deal with facts, rather than bs. Our current pres is a bs artist, who pedals bs rather than facts. It has presented a poor example to those who like to put others down. What happened to the “just be nice” usually practiced on this site?
Nancy and Bud
New member
@VanIslander
Having been guests of your country many times over the last 3 decades, I agree with the tone of your post above. I've found that Canadians are some of the most friendly and quietly humble people I've met.
We pine for the ability to spend another summer in the North Channel.
I applaud Canada's decision to continue to restrict Americans from crossing our common border. Once a vaccine is available to all US residents, it's not going to be safe to open the border.
Obviously the US, as a whole, can not act in a responsible manner and we continue to see super-spreader events across the country.
Fair winds to us all.
Having been guests of your country many times over the last 3 decades, I agree with the tone of your post above. I've found that Canadians are some of the most friendly and quietly humble people I've met.
We pine for the ability to spend another summer in the North Channel.
I applaud Canada's decision to continue to restrict Americans from crossing our common border. Once a vaccine is available to all US residents, it's not going to be safe to open the border.
Obviously the US, as a whole, can not act in a responsible manner and we continue to see super-spreader events across the country.
Fair winds to us all.
Vanislander/Charles - thank you for that well-reasoned response. It's how this site should be, regardless of our home country. You are going to be a fine C-Brat.
Things have changed on this site since I first joined, but there are still plenty of nice people here. I remember when we could disagree without being disagreeable. There is a lot of frustration out there; too bad some feel the need to unleash on "the other side." No upside to that.
Things have changed on this site since I first joined, but there are still plenty of nice people here. I remember when we could disagree without being disagreeable. There is a lot of frustration out there; too bad some feel the need to unleash on "the other side." No upside to that.
James TXSD, Nancy and Bud, VanIslander: You all are right on. Marty, I agree that We (USA) have really not managed the Covid response well.
We are seeing increasing numbers here in the US as well as the increase in numbers in our northern neighbors. What it is a result of is a mix of complacency, lack of respect for others, and lack of regulation and compliance. Whose to blame, could be all of us, from the bottom to the top.
I grew up in Canada, I love it up there and have many friends on that side of the border. I would have been right along with Steve making that hard right turn, but I prefer not to have my boat impounded, my Passport revoked and my bank account demolished, so I have resisted the temptation to turn my C-Dory into a submarine and surface somewhere north of Port Harvey.
I am in line to get my flu shot now, and will get that Covid vaccine ASAP, and pray for a major decrease in Covid numbers on both sides of that border, and for a trip north come summer 2021.
"Just Be Nice"
Harvey
SleepyC :moon
We are seeing increasing numbers here in the US as well as the increase in numbers in our northern neighbors. What it is a result of is a mix of complacency, lack of respect for others, and lack of regulation and compliance. Whose to blame, could be all of us, from the bottom to the top.
I grew up in Canada, I love it up there and have many friends on that side of the border. I would have been right along with Steve making that hard right turn, but I prefer not to have my boat impounded, my Passport revoked and my bank account demolished, so I have resisted the temptation to turn my C-Dory into a submarine and surface somewhere north of Port Harvey.
I am in line to get my flu shot now, and will get that Covid vaccine ASAP, and pray for a major decrease in Covid numbers on both sides of that border, and for a trip north come summer 2021.
"Just Be Nice"
Harvey
SleepyC :moon
Gene&Mary
New member
Like all other remotely political threads, expect this important thread to be moved into the members only That's Life forum because of optics.
Kevin,
With all due respect, and not wanting to debate the substance of your post, I would humbly ask: what was the useful purpose of your posting this? We already have a record amount of divisiveness, Trump/Biden bashing, shaming, finger-pointing, and nationalism/xenophobia, so why add more? We are all in this together, whether we realize it or not.
With all due respect, and not wanting to debate the substance of your post, I would humbly ask: what was the useful purpose of your posting this? We already have a record amount of divisiveness, Trump/Biden bashing, shaming, finger-pointing, and nationalism/xenophobia, so why add more? We are all in this together, whether we realize it or not.
colbysmith
Active member
I think that happened when folks failed to do what was right during the Impeachment Trial... :wink:
Just going to bite my tongue before I write more... Colby
Dan & Arlyne
New member
I may be politically incorrect here, but God Bless America and God Bless Donald Trump!
Dan
Dan