US/CANADA BORDER WILL STAY CLOSED UNTIL...
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Peter & Judy
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FYI. Here are the French Translations: Le Tundra, La C-Dory and don't for get your Le despiteinfectant pour les mains and your mask du visage.
Also $1,000.00 Canadian dollars is now $760.00 US
Welcome to Canada
Nancy and Bud
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Peter & Judy":3azgsh81 said:
Sigh. Canada is now 25% off and we can't go.
starcrafttom
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Defiant Wally completely agree
Harvey are you going to france? they just need to learn english already. hell they all speak it anyhow, just silly.
30% off?? maybe time to order a new canadian boat and have it shipped.
I said months ago that sweden has the right idea and they are still doing it right. no mask , schools opened, business open and lock down the nursing homes. New york and to a lesser amount washington screwed us by sending covid positive patients to nursing home early on. Sweden has achieved herd immunity and cases are dropping like crazy.
We all will get this and we all need to get this bug. their is not a vaccine coming anytime soon if at all. we may get a shot like the flu ( which is not really a vaccine even thu its called that ) .
Harvey are you going to france? they just need to learn english already. hell they all speak it anyhow, just silly.
30% off?? maybe time to order a new canadian boat and have it shipped.
I said months ago that sweden has the right idea and they are still doing it right. no mask , schools opened, business open and lock down the nursing homes. New york and to a lesser amount washington screwed us by sending covid positive patients to nursing home early on. Sweden has achieved herd immunity and cases are dropping like crazy.
We all will get this and we all need to get this bug. their is not a vaccine coming anytime soon if at all. we may get a shot like the flu ( which is not really a vaccine even thu its called that ) .
smckean (Tosca)
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Tom, I'm afraid your assessment is just plain incorrect. Here is a clip from a recent article in Time Magazine written by Andrew Ewing who is a professor of molecular biology and chemistry at the University of Gothenburg and a member of the Swedish Academy of Sciences.starcrafttom":2fb9bmce said:
"The Swedish COVID-19 experiment of not implementing early and strong measures to safeguard the population has been hotly debated around the world, but at this point we can predict it is almost certain to result in a net failure in terms of death and suffering. As of Oct. 13, Sweden’s per capita death rate is 58.4 per 100,000 people, according to Johns Hopkins University data, 12th highest in the world (not including tiny Andorra and San Marino). But perhaps more striking are the findings of a study published Oct. 12 in the Journal of the American Medical Association, which pointed out that, of the countries the researchers investigated, Sweden and the U.S. essentially make up a category of two: they are the only countries with high overall mortality rates that failed to rapidly reduce those numbers as the pandemic progressed."
A picture is worth a 1000 words (note the recent trend).....
colbysmith
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Sandy, stop confusing folks with facts! :wink:
...and it's in English....colbysmith":3ic5tc7v said:
https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/
By both sides and it is far more nuanced.
The fact is, if BOTH U.S. political parties actually cared they would note that for the US, obesity itself is a high correlation to covid susceptibility (
mortality). We should as well encourage Vitamin D, etc... We don't live a healthy lifestyle - that is a big difference with the rest of the world.
Hard to tell the voters they are too fat and too old.
Whatever - this is a mess and clearly this will all be over after the election.
Trump wins- and more states will be forced to re-open as the economic consequences become more clear, and there is covid fatigue, vaccine available, etc.... If Biden wins, then there will be a "trustworthy" vaccine ready to go and masking requirements for everyone in the meanwhile. Issue settled.
Either way, we should be strongly limiting access to those with high mortality rates - which is primarily those over 80 (or 70 depending...). Schools can and are opening safely (NYC) and as long as we as a culture are flexible (when outbreaks happen) we will be fine.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covi ... /index.htm
At least it is good to see a typically "idealized" European country taking a unique approach. We won't know for a while the long term cost/benefit....
Since everyone seems to think CA is so much better than the US, article from a well known reputable university in CA on the Sweden experiment, though it is a month old (showing that we are WAY to early to make any fast judgements).
https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid ... nt-believe
The fact is, if BOTH U.S. political parties actually cared they would note that for the US, obesity itself is a high correlation to covid susceptibility (
mortality). We should as well encourage Vitamin D, etc... We don't live a healthy lifestyle - that is a big difference with the rest of the world.
Hard to tell the voters they are too fat and too old.
Whatever - this is a mess and clearly this will all be over after the election.
Trump wins- and more states will be forced to re-open as the economic consequences become more clear, and there is covid fatigue, vaccine available, etc.... If Biden wins, then there will be a "trustworthy" vaccine ready to go and masking requirements for everyone in the meanwhile. Issue settled.
Either way, we should be strongly limiting access to those with high mortality rates - which is primarily those over 80 (or 70 depending...). Schools can and are opening safely (NYC) and as long as we as a culture are flexible (when outbreaks happen) we will be fine.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covi ... /index.htm
At least it is good to see a typically "idealized" European country taking a unique approach. We won't know for a while the long term cost/benefit....
Since everyone seems to think CA is so much better than the US, article from a well known reputable university in CA on the Sweden experiment, though it is a month old (showing that we are WAY to early to make any fast judgements).
https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid ... nt-believe
colbysmith
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Sadly, I think you're so wrong. I suspect we will still be plagued with this virus well into next summer. Colby
I mean the mess of "politicizing the virus" will be over. Not that the virus will disappear. I did not make that clear.
Certainly, even in the 1918 pandemic, there were various outbreaks over the next 2-3 years (and some claim longer).
Either way, the point is a decision will be made. Are we so afraid of the virus we lock everything down, destroy the economy, wreck people's mental health (and for most < 50 this is a non-event), etc... Or we deem that there is some trade off between dealing with the virus and managing the effects (unemployment, addiction, etc...), but likely have more outbreaks and possibly higher fatality rates.
We have pretty much lost ability to evaluate risk across the board.
I mean, for those under 50 this is nearly a non-event.
Depending on what statistics you want to evaluate, one can wrap a pig in any blanket we want.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
As well, one can slice and dice the data however you want here:
https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid
Certainly, even in the 1918 pandemic, there were various outbreaks over the next 2-3 years (and some claim longer).
Either way, the point is a decision will be made. Are we so afraid of the virus we lock everything down, destroy the economy, wreck people's mental health (and for most < 50 this is a non-event), etc... Or we deem that there is some trade off between dealing with the virus and managing the effects (unemployment, addiction, etc...), but likely have more outbreaks and possibly higher fatality rates.
We have pretty much lost ability to evaluate risk across the board.
I mean, for those under 50 this is nearly a non-event.
Depending on what statistics you want to evaluate, one can wrap a pig in any blanket we want.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
As well, one can slice and dice the data however you want here:
https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid
colbysmith
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I don't know. I suppose one can find any statistics they want to justify their case. Personally, just seems so easy to wear a mask and socially distance. No fear or infringement on my personal freedom. Even if we only save 1% of the population, that's 1 % saved. If we had done that to begin with, our economy would have taken the short hit, then climbed again. Now we are just dilly dallying around and making everything take longer... Colby
Nancy and Bud
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starcrafttom
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Once again people choosing what they want to hear and the sources that back them all while missing the point. Sweden did better then some countries ( the ones most like them in weather and population ) and worse then others that are not like them. But the point is they did not destroy thier ecomomy in the prosess. and if it was not for washington califorina nd new york the USA would have a death rate far below most , but not all, countrys. Where did we do the most harm? where the restrictions were the most extreme. Mostly because of new yorks and washington ( early on) putting sick people in elder care facilities.
New Jersey: 183 per 100,000 people
Population: 8.9 million residents
New York: 169
Population: 19.4 million
Idaho is 30 per 100k. alaska is 9. sweden is 57.
The whole point is the lock downs where no better and in many places far worse then no lock down but with out the cost to the economy. and if you cant see simple fact I am done talking to you.
all of this is based on inaccurate death numbers any how. dying with covid is not dying from covid.
smckean (Tosca)
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I hate to say it Tom, but this statement of yours also seems to be incorrect. You didn't mention the country names that you consider to be like Sweden in terms of weather and population so I can't be certain, but it's hard to imagine countries more similar to Sweden than Sweden's immediate neighbors. Here are the stats for Sweden's neighboring countries (from the same article I quoted above). These numbers don't agree with your assertion.starcrafttom":33pz97uh said:
Deaths per 100,000 population as of 10/13/20:
Sweden 58.36
Denmark 11.58
Finland 6.24
Norway 5.09