Venture 29 Questions....

deak

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I am hoping to tap your collective knowledge before I make a bad investment. I am looking at purchasing a 2009 CDory Venture from a dealer in Seattle. They reduced the price to 99K which seems ridiculously low for this boat. Its brand new but has no warranty (except for the warranty on the motor).

I have read the forums here and seen that the Venture 29 is very polarizing and many people feel it is a blemish on the Cdory brand. Regardless, it seems to me like it is a lot of boat for the money.

Anybody here want to help my wife and talk me out of spending our savings on this boat?

Thanks in advance for your opinions!

Eric
 
Personaly I did not think that the 29 was all that bad, but I only saw it sitting on a trailer. I did walk through it and for the most part liked what I saw. Have no experiance with it out on the water. 99K's sounds like a heck of a deal to me.But this is just my 2 pennies
 
On the other hand, you can get a lot of used boat for that kind of money. A Vantare 44' twin diesel sport fisher for instance, for $ 99,000. I was pretty underwhelmed by the 29.
 
One more thing to consider is that should you buy the 29 and later want to sell it you may well have a really hard time getting close to what you paid for it. A brand new 29 of that model has been sitting on a dealership here in Washington for more than a year.
 
I would at least make them include the trailer. The price seems reasonable for what you are getting. It is the performance that is the question mark.
Good luck with your choice.
 
Except for the engine you have no support. I would think there is a reason it sat there for so long. Not a lot of people to ask any questions about anything about your new 29' Venture. It's your money but if it was me I would save some money by looking for a used a C-Dory 25' or a 26' Venture. I don't know what you getting for 99k but I would wonder how many more $$$ you will have to put into it before your all ready to go all the stuff you want and need. Used boats would more than likely come with a lot of extras like electronic's spare stuff, like anchors rode, spare filters, fire extingushers a trailer etc making them a much better value IMHO. Some times the extra stuff you get with a used boat can amount to a lot of money if you had to buy it new. Plus you have the best support crew you could ask for with the C-Brats. They know these boats. I'm thinking you could probably find a used Ranger 25 for that kind of money a trailer. Then you could be a Tug Nut. They also have a great support group.
D.D.
 
I think the polarizing issue with the 29 wasn't that it was a bad boat... it was a departure from the core design of what made C-Dory so popular with this group:

The beam making permits necessary for trailering.
The inboard diesel.
The relatively deep-v hull.
The odd design quirks (the head that stands in the view field for the co-pilot and the low placed steering wheel).
The "bulby" look of the boat (it got called "Baby Huey" by some of us).
The attitude of C-Dory management at the time.

Seeing Dave's mention of a used Ranger Tug really drives home the impact of that last item above. Ranger Tugs does a great job of listening to their customers, and giving them "move up" reasons for another boat. The Venture 29 seemed more of an attempt to bring a boat to an unknown market, and no input from current customers was sought or considered. As it turned out, there was no market for the boat. At the time, it seemed like one more example of how the management had no idea who their core customers were and what they wanted. The start up expense of that model (with no buyers to recoup) at a time when the economy was starting the downturn was another factor in that management's demise.

All that said, I don't think the Venture 29 is a "bad" boat. Relatively unproven, since there aren't enough of them out there to know what the performance (fuel burn, speed, ride) is. A bigger version of a cruiser without a lot of gain for floorplan in that space. For $99k (and I'd imagine there's still some wiggle room there), it is a lot of boat. It would be a personal choice if the floorplan and hull are right for you.

I like inboard diesels in the right application. But, the things that brought most of us to a C-Dory (outboard power, easy trailering, simple interior that makes maintenance and mods easy, relatively flat bottom for economy and seaworthiness) weren't a part of the design of the 29. It's easy to "Monday morning quarterback" what the management at the time did wrong.

No idea what the layout schedule was for the build, but the C-Dory made hulls have generally been very sound. Most warranty issues have been components or "what were they thinking??" rigging problems (like putting a fresh water pump IN the bilge where it would be guaranteed to get wet, using screws that were too long to install the brass stem guard, fresh water connection incompatibilites, etc).

A comprehensive sea trial and a very close inspection after should be a must. If you think this is a "gonna keep it a lifetime" boat, I wouldn't be concerned about resale. If there's a chance you will want to sell the boat anytime in the near future (still thinking years here), keep in mind how long it has taken to move these boats.

Good luck with your decisions.

Best wishes,
Jim B.

(The above is just one more free opinion. Unless you are making your living with it, a boat should make you want to look over your shoulder at it as you walk away and say, "Damn, that's a nice boat!")
 
Lots of great ideas here. I looked at the 29 at master marine recently. Big boat. Not for me but could be a good platform given some thought to how you want to use a boat. One word stands out for me in your question. "investment". Please be sure to understand fully that the investment you make in a boat is for , fun, adventure, relaxation, travel, etc.... It is extremely rare to make $ on a boat purchase. C dory's typically hold their value, after the depreciation kicks in. If I wanted to sell my 2011 cd 22 for what I paid, I would have few if any lookers. So if you like the boat and the $ are ok go for it. Just don't think youcould buy it at 99k now and flip it for 109k next year. Really a stretch. But buy it and put a 100 hours on by spring you'll know more. I would bet it's a capable boat. George
 
There is a nice looking 29 for sale right now on Seattle Craigs List. it has nice garmin 5000 series electronics and best of all for you is that it is already in Alaska. the asking price as I remember was arround $85500.00. don't quote me ....lol.... but somewhere arround that figure
 
ferret30":14jgj13l said:
This one?
http://mastermarine.com/boat_detail.php?key=135
I see it every time I go up to Bellingham.

Thats the one. I saw it when I was in Seattle this summer. The price was "reduced" to 119K and now it has been further reduced to 99K.

colobear":14jgj13l said:
One more thing to consider is that should you buy the 29 and later want to sell it you may well have a really hard time getting close to what you paid for it. A brand new 29 of that model has been sitting on a dealership here in Washington for more than a year.

My current boat was the first boat I have owned and its now 7 years old. Thats been enough time to figure out what I want in a new boat. If this Venture 29' performs well and has the range that I need to get to the good fishing then I'll probably own it for 15 or 20 years. So I'm only worried about resale value in the sense that it quicky becomes a disappointment and I need to get out from under it. The smarter decision probably be to find a boat that has a larger user base to tap for rough water performance and actual GPH when loaded numbers as well.

Jack in Alaska":14jgj13l said:
I would at least make them include the trailer. The price seems reasonable for what you are getting. It is the performance that is the question mark.
Good luck with your choice.

You hit on my exact concern.... PERFORMANCE! How does it perform when the seas get crappy and your trying to get home? How tippy is it while fishing in 6 ft swells? What kind of range will I have on 150 gallons of diesel with 4 -6 people on board with a few days worth of supplies? After a successful fishing trip we could come back pretty loaded down.


Deak
 
JamesTXSD":4qw2v6lp said:
A comprehensive sea trial and a very close inspection after should be a must. If you think this is a "gonna keep it a lifetime" boat, I wouldn't be concerned about resale. If there's a chance you will want to sell the boat anytime in the near future (still thinking years here), keep in mind how long it has taken to move these boats.

Jim,
I am in total agreement with the seatrial! An ideal seatrial would have to happen on a fairly bad weather day to satisfy my concerns. Thanks for your insightful post it helped me understand why many Cdory owners aren't fans of the Venture 29.
 
The performance is really an unknown. The boat has a bit of a tunnel for the prop, shoal draft, but a bit less effeciency. It is not truely a "Deep V", but should handle chop fine; Not going into 6 footers. Not many boats handle true 6 footers well. Swells at 6 feet and 20 seconds--OK...the rolling should not be bad.

The plus is the 260 hp, gen set, and thruster. You are getting close to a Cutwater, at a 3rd of the price! A Ranger tug at this price will be 5 years old, and have 110 hp--an 8 knot boat.

One other issue, is working on that engine, with the limited room.

It will burn about 10 gallons an hour at close to 20 mph with a light load Maybe 15 gal with a full load of ice crew and fuel/water. . At 8 knots you will have a very long range.

The Anchorage boat is a much better deal, plus you may get some performance information. Agree with a rough day sea trial.
 
Not to mention that unless you are pretty expert at it, backing the single screw boat is a real pain and takes some real skill, even in flat water and no wind. I know as I've had to do it many times in my Gulf 32 motor sailer days. Give me the outboards any day. I'd really like the 29 if it was equipped with OB's. However, it'd take some really big ones with the huge added cost of fuel.
 
SENSEI":el6isn6h said:
There is a nice looking 29 for sale right now on Seattle Craigs List. it has nice garmin 5000 series electronics and best of all for you is that it is already in Alaska. the asking price as I remember was arround $85500.00. don't quote me ....lol.... but somewhere arround that figure

Captains Cat":el6isn6h said:
Here is that AK 29. Looks like a LOT better deal and a HUNKY DORY to boot :mrgreen:

http://seattle.craigslist.org/search/bo ... k=&maxAsk=

Charlie

Thanks for the heads up guys. I had been looking at buying in Seattle because I thought I would get a much better deal than what I would be able to find here. Also at some point I really want to cruise the inside passage up to Alaska.

I went and checked this one out and it does look really nice. It has the electronics that are missing from the dealership boat in Seattle (Garmin 5212, VHF, CD/DVD player, shrimp pot puller, etc) AND its 10K cheaper. My only minor concerns are that it must have been stored in the sun because the paint/color has oxidized quite a bit for a "newer" boat and it has a 3 inch long fiberglass chip in the bow. The chip in the fiberglass is interesting because its right at the bottom at the point of the bow below the waterline. Its a skinny 2.5" to 3" long chip and there is black showing underneath. Should this be a concern or is it easily repaired? My current boat is aluminum so I haven't dealt with gelcoat/fiberglass issues before.
 
Oxidization is easily buffed out. The fiberglass repair is simple too, then install a metal bow protector if you plan to beach the boat or find debris in the water.. :shock:

Sounds like a good deal if you really want a 29.

Charlie
 
The 29 comes with a bow thruster, I believe and a stern thruster could be added, to make up for dealing with that "prop walk". Could do that for considerable less than the $10 K savings. I liked the idea of the size and accommodation capability, just did NOT like where they put the head. It was like they just chucked a phone booth in there because there was room. I'd get rid of the tank head and find an "air head" (composting) and chainsaw off the top half of that head somehow.

Hull speed cruising should be reasonably inexpensive and you still have the capability of 20 plus when you need it.

Good luck and keep us informed.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon
 
hmm, well, I didn't think I saw a bow thruster in any of the 29 pix, but a bow thruster would help, though may not totally solve the walk problem. After market installs of bow thrusters can be pricey, and I'd want to make sure that my bow internal structure was up for taking the install. I will say that you can develop the skills to deal with prop walk with or without the bow thruster. I finally got there with the Gulf 32 about the time I sold it. However, I never did have to fight significant weather at the dock.
 
Harry, take a close look at the 29 on CL in Alaska. Do it quickly before the post goes down, there is a bow thruster in the first picture just above the EZ Loader name on the trailer. It's not very but but it is there.

Charlie
 
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